Featured Jesus Christ Died for the Church; Did he Die for the Nation Israel?

According to the bible He took away the sin of the world, not just the sheep.
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

 

If Jesus took the sins of the world away...how could these men die in their sins?
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins

 

Yes...all men would be saved ...because His perfect death saves all He died for:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

He didn't take the sins of the whole world away. He took the sin (singular) of the world away. We die in our sins (plural) if we do not repent and come to faith.Taking away the sin did not save anyone. It only removed the barrier so some could be saved by grace through faith.The barrier of the fall was on all because we are all in Adam so He could not just remove part of it. Salvation comes to the elect, but all have the barrier removed, some just refuse the call. God’s election and man’s free will working to save some.

 

Fal,

I know people say this:

 

I know how to cut and paste:

James 2:2

(ASV) For if there come into your synagogue a man with a gold ring, in fine clothing, and there come in also a poor man in vile clothing;

(Bishops) For yf there come into your companie a man wearing a golde ryng, clothed in goodly apparell, and there come in also a poore man in vile rayment:

(Coverdale) Yf ther come in to yor copany a ma wt a golde rynge and in goodly aparell, & ther come in also a poore man in vyle raymet,

(DRB) For if there shall come into your assembly a man having a golden ring, in fine apparel; and there shall come in also a poor man in mean attire:

(ESV) For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in,

(Geneva) For if there come into your copany a man with a golde ring, and in goodly apparell, and there come in also a poore man in vile raiment,

(GNB) Suppose a rich man wearing a gold ring and fine clothes comes to your meeting, and a poor man in ragged clothes also comes.

(HCSB) For suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring, dressed in fine clothes, and a poor man dressed in dirty clothes also comes in.

(ISV) Suppose a man wearing gold rings and fine clothes comes into your assembly, and a poor man in dirty clothes also comes in.

(KJV) For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;

(KJV+) ForG1063 ifG1437 there comeG1525 untoG1519 yourG5216 assemblyG4864 a manG435 with a gold ring,G5554 inG1722 goodlyG2986 apparel,G2066 andG1161 there come inG1525 alsoG2532 a poor manG4434 inG1722 vileG4508 raiment;G2066

(KJV-1611) For if there come vnto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poore man, in vile raiment:

(NAS77) For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes,

(NASB) For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes,

(NASB+) For ifG1437 a manG435 comesG1525 into your assemblyG4864 with a goldG5554 ringG5554 and dressed in fineG2986 clothesG2066, and there alsoG2532 comesG1525 in a poorG4434 manG4434 in dirtyG4508 clothesG2066,

(NET) For if someone5 comes into your assembly6 wearing a gold ring and fine clothing, and a poor person enters in filthy clothes,

(NIrV) Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes. And suppose a poor man in worn-out clothes also comes in.

(NIV) Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in.

(NKJV) For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes,

(RV) For if there come into your synagogue a man with a gold ring, in fine clothing, and there come in also a poor man in vile clothing;

(TNIV) Suppose someone comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor person in filthy old clothes also comes in.

(Tyndale) Yf ther come into youre company a man with a golden rynge and in goodly aparell and ther come in also a poore man in vyle rayment

(YLT) for if there may come into your synagogue a man with gold ring, in gay raiment, and there may come in also a poor man in vile raiment,


* note the greek word sunagṓgē strongs 4864 translated assembly, synagogue, company, meeting

 

Romans 9:4-7
Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises
Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

So yes He died for Israel, just not all Israel is of Israel.

 

Simple. You don't like the term "replacement theology" because it cannot hold up to Scripture and it makes Jehovah an indian giver so you try to say that the church always existed, that believers in pre-Acts ch 2 times were actually the church.

This doesn't work though because Jesus in Mat ch 16 speaks of His church in a future tense but since that doesn't work with your theology you try to make it sound like dispies teach that salvation prior to Acts ch 2 was granted to national Israel simply forgetting that the actual covenants in the Bible Abrahamic, Mosaic, New don't really talk much about eternal life for the individual believer.

Then comes James, a jewish NT writer and half brother of Jesus who admits that on the Lords day Christians in his ministry actually meet in a Jewish house of worship and not a PCUSA church building which I'm sure you find quite distrubing.

You also forget that the Scriptures of the early church were in 39 books of what we call today the Hebrew Scriptures. You don't know or don't care that the greek word for church is ekklēsı́a strongs 1577

 

Some suggested the church is not an assemble of believers. How about chosen believers. A holy or set apart nation. Or individual members of one body.

So if we define the nation of Israel as an assemble of chosen believers, to which Gentile believers are grafted on, then the church becomes descendents of Abraham, and thus part of the holy nation, Israel.

Romans 11:27 And this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins.

Thus the Deliverer from Zion, Jesus Christ, took away the sins of the holy nation, all Israel.

This is the view of progressive dispensationalism, but not the view of replacement theology, where the church replaced the nation. Do not be deceived.