Saved-By-Grace
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deceived on some important Doctrines, because they are theologically blinded.
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Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race
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deceived on some important Doctrines, because they are theologically blinded.
His desire is not the same as His will though, and God knew that no sinner by themselves will be able to even accept jesus to get saved!
Enough blindness to still be lost?
Saved-By-Grace
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we are not discussing the fact that every sinner needs to be first convicted by the Holy Spirit, of their sinfulness and lostness and need for Jesus Christ to save them. No sinner can ever come to Jesus for salvation on their own, this is not possible. God must be the first to convict of sin, which He does through the preaching of the Gospel.
Saved-By-Grace
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a person is not saved by whether they have their theology right or not. John Stott was an Evangelical here in England, but sadly rejected the Bible's teaching that the lost will ultimately suffer eternal punishment, and held to annihilation. This false doctrine does not mean that he was lost and not going to heaven.
God convicts His own unto salvation, for what good is it if a sinner is convicted and enlightened, and yet still rejects Jesus?
But you stated that Reformed/Calvinists teach another Gospel, does that Gospel we hold to be a saving one?
Saved-By-Grace
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Acts 13:46 says, "Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles"
Note two things here. These Jews themselves REJECTED the Gospel Message, which means that they also had the God-given ability to ACCEPT it. Second, THEY considered THEMSELVES not worthy of eternal life. NOT God!
Saved-By-Grace
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You limit the Grace, Love, and salvation of the Lord Jesus Christ, by excluding the entire human race from God's desire to see ALL saved and come to Jesus. As you have shown by your handling of John 3:16
Saved-By-Grace
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I am going for a rest now. thanks for your time. I have no doubt that you are on your way to heaven, judging from what you write! 
There is no usual connotation of "hate" when it comes to who is going to be saved and who isn't. I don't know of any Calvinists or Reformed who teach God hating a majority of the world.
I will say the understanding of many in regards to this...
Romans 9:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
...leaves a little to be desired, seeing this refers to National "Esau," not the man himself.
That doesn't change the fact that God so loved the world that He sent His Son.
Don't let it get to you.
God bless.
So those holding to reformed would be lost. correct?
[Gal 3:28-29 KJV] 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Saved-By-Grace
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yes, but the verses you quoted originally, were only referring to the Jews
Saved-By-Grace
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is that what you believe?
That was my point.
I'm glad you agree that we are.
Saved-By-Grace
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No I don't, it is a question
You are getting over-wrought. You need to lie down in a darkened room for a while with a couple of aspirin.
Most of the great preachers and missionaries since the Reformation have been Calvinists and millions of people have been saved (under God) by their preaching.
Now calm down and stop being so silly.
OK. We're always right because the agree with what the Bible says.
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