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Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Saved-By-Grace, Mar 9, 2018.

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  1. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

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    The Bible clearly says that He desires ALL to come to Jesus Christ. A fact that has been completely distorted by the Reformed nonsense! Even John Calvin saw the Truth that God wants to save ALL mankind!
     
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    I gave you the Greek where we see Atonement and Reconciliation equated to each other. You had no comment on that?


    God bless.
     
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    Jesus death was intended by God to be the basis to save some sinners, but not to save all sinners....
     
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    That doesn't mean He doesn't know there are those who are going to reject Him despite all His efforts:


    Revelation 17:8
    King James Version (KJV)

    8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


    He is not willing that any should perish, and that all (and all means all) should come to repentance, but, the fact is that there is a many/few ratio taught in Scripture. Many lost, few saved.


    God bless.
     
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    If God indeed wanted to save all humanity, than He is feeble, as many will not make it!
     
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    last time I checked, neither rof them were Calvinists!
     
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    sorry, I have missed this. can you please tell me what # it is? thanks
     
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    I am sorry to say this. But your position is very much a deceived one. Just ONE Scripture should tell ALL very clearly, if it is left to speak for itself, without corruption or twisting, the EXTENT of God's Incredible Love and Mercy for the lost HUMAN RACE. John 3:16, which has rightly been called, "The Gospel in A Nutshell". But even this the HATERS of the lost will TWIST!
     
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    complete and utter RUBBISH! Against the very heart and nature of God!

    So WHY do YOU think that God should save YOU?
     
    #149 Saved-By-Grace, Mar 10, 2018
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    Just click on the arrow by my name and it will take you to the thread. I also wanted to point out that I have inserted links to the original language, those would the blue words in the verses.


    God bless.
     
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    Are we even saved then?
     
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    He shouldn't have, as I had nothing of worth to present to Him, but I thank god that he did choose to save me!
     
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    sort that out with the Lord. you guys show so much HATE towards the lost, that it sickens the Good Lord!
     
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    Calvinistic/Reformed theology has done VERY MUCH damage to the pure Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, by pushing what I believe to be "doctrines of demons", and doing the devils work for him against God and the Holy Bible.
     
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    Why are "Calvinists" always RIGHT? Why don't Calvinists remain true to their theology, and when preaching on John 3:16, tell the people what you honestly believe, that God does NOT love the entire human race, that He wants them ALL saved? Not just that Jesus died for the entire human race, but that He also wants ALL to come to Him for salvation. Why not tell the lost world that God actively HATES some of you because you are worse sinners that the "elect", and will damn their souls to eternal punishment? This is what Reformed theology actually teaches, so why not tell this in your messages and books?
     
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    [Mat 1:21 KJV] 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
    [Luk 1:68, 77 KJV] 68 Blessed [be] the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, ... 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
    [Luk 7:16 KJV] 16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
     
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    Indeed, "His people" being the JEWS and NOT the "elect"!
     
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    I would agree that there are some positions of Calvinist/Reformed Theology that do cause harm, my least favorite being their belief that men are regenerated in order to have faith.

    But...

    ...I would not call it doctrine of demons, simply error. Some of it is right, lol.


    Not really. I think most Calvinists and Reformed believers would admit there is still a demand to witness for Christ, whether they think one is "Elect" or not. And most cannot properly answer when asked if babies go to Hell or not, except to say they do if they are non-elect.

    But just curious, why so much emotion over Calvinism/Reformed Theology? This apparently has you pretty upset.


    God bless.
     
    #158 Darrell C, Mar 10, 2018
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    Once more. You gotta learn the difference between a text and a manuscript. If not you will not be able to keep up with the discussion.
     
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