Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

agedman,

Yes...those persons are called the Apostles and Prophets...eph2:20

Good thing scripture over rules opinions.

 

"Saved-By-Grace

That unscriptural language is not found in the NT.

These people do not exist...instead we do find...WE are made accepted in the Beloved
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

 

The bible does describe it as a random provision that is only potential, but rather an actual and perfect removal of sins reigning power.

 

"Saved-By-Grace,

The bible is not wrong, your understanding is way off however

Good verse...All God effectually works in will come to Him...

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rebellious Israel was being warned by God of certain doom if the remained in rebellion.

Again spoken to a typically redeemed people urging obedience.

The only ones coming are those drawn by the Spirit...

yes...all kinds of men, kings, those in authority

Actually...everyone believing...

Yes Jesus bought the rights to all men at the cross:

John 17 King James Version (KJV)
17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Every single person spoken of here will be saved, no more, no less...God has decreed , destined and purposed it...

 

Here we go again.

As to the Atonement: On the Day of Atonement, which was the figure thereof, where was Egypt's stone on the breastplate of the high priest? Edom's?

It doesn't get much more plain than that. A child can grasp it.

And so you present a weak atonement, that, to be made effectual, needs the addition of the will of man.

 

The problem is that some use "atonement" to mean both "completely different aspects" thus if we used terms like "propitiation" for providing by His sacrifice the means of salvation for the sins of the whole world, and reconciliation for being transferred into Christ, the muddle would be avoided.

But thanks for your clear statement of your intended meanings,.

 

Technically they are not the same, because one speaks of paying the penalty of our sin and the other speaks of our relationship with God being restored.

But we cannot divorce these any more than we can divorce regeneration from being eternally indwelt. Technically those are two separate things but they go hand in hand.

"The" Atonement is what reconciles men to God. When atonement is made, men are reconciled to God. They are simultaneous elements of the same process.


God bless.

 

No man was reconciled to God prior to Christ dying.


God bless.

 

One part of the muddle when mixing the two aspects is the idea that when Christ died, the penalty for sins of the Elect (past present and future) were paid at that time, thus the atonement is limited to the Elect. Therefore, PSA is a Trojan horse for limited atonement.

This view (PSA and Limited Atonement), of course is unbiblical nonsense.

 

I think perhaps that you do not understand what Calvinism is. Do you imagine that perhaps we believe that whoever believes in Him will still perish, or that God wishes that many should perish?

Here are the facts. I have given this verse at least half a dozen times, and I apologize to those who are fed up with reading it.

John 6:37. 'All that the Father has given Me will come to Me.......' Here is the particular Redemption. God the Father has given to the Son a people to redeem, which He has done at measureless cost and not one of those whom He has redeemed will be lost.
'.......And the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.' It does seem to me sometimes that Arminians are of the impression that someone might trust in Christ for salvation and yet be turned away from heaven because he is not one of the elect. That is never going to happen under any circumstances. 'Everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.' But the sad fact is that they simply will not come 'unless the Father who sent Me draws them.' This is not because God keeps them out, but because they have wicked unbelieving hearts, just like you and I did before the Lord graciously gave us new birth (Titus 3:3-7). 'Whoever is thirsty, let him come, and whoever wills let him take the free gift of the water of life.' Amen! But when the 'whoever' comes, he will find that he has only comes because God has set His love upon him in eternity past, has written his name in the book of life, given him to thee Son to redeem, and has opened his heart to respond to the message of the Gospel.

 

John and Charles Wesley taught Penal Substitution.

 

ALL sinners are accountable to God for being those who reject Jesus, as they are doing what they really wanted to do.
God shows mercy upon those whom He desires too, and does not show that upon others, is God at fault for how we all hate Him and reject Jesus>
Is God wrong to save out His elect from among all sinners than?

 

the fault not with God as to them staying lost, but the sole fault remains within themselves!
NONE of us deserve to have final destiny other than hell, correct?