Jesus ministry...who is to carry it out?

[awaken]

Isaiah specifically said that Jesus will be stricken and smitten. The Hebrew words for "stricken" and "smitten" mean "violently, to strike" and "give [wounds]...(give) stripes" respectively, according to Strong's Hebrew Dictionary. The vicious whipping that Jesus received on His back (His "stripes") certainly fulfills this part of the prophecy. Isaiah also said that Jesus will bring peace (peace with God) and healing to us.

Consider that if the salvation parts of Isaiah's prophecy apply to us (and certainly they do) then the healing parts of Isaiah's prophecy apply to us also.

Here's that passage in a more literal translation of the Bible (Young's Literal Translation):
Isaiah 53:4 (YLT): "Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains--he hath carried them, And we--we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted."
Isaiah 53:5 (YLT): "And he is pierced for our transgressions, Bruised for our iniquities, The chastisement of our peace is on him, And by his bruise there is healing to us." ...
Isaiah 53:12 (YLT): "Therefore I give a portion to him among the many, And with the mighty he apportioneth spoil, Because that he exposed to death his soul, And with transgressors he was numbered, And he the sin of many hath borne, And for transgressors he intercedeth."

Isaiah said that "our sicknesses he hath borne [taken away] ... And he the sin of many hath borne [taken away]." Notice that Jesus took away all of our sicknesses, just as He took away all of our sins. We receive healing as a free gift by faith, just as we receive salvation as a free gift by faith.

 

[Aaron]

He tasted death for every man, and gives to all eternal life, yet all the Apostles died. If the Lord tarries, you will die.

The end of this life and the death of this body is not the death from which we are saved. The healing of this body is not the healing promised to all through Christ's Atonement.

 

[Iconoclast]

Isaiah specifically said that Jesus will be stricken and smitten. The Hebrew words for "stricken" and "smitten" mean "violently, to strike" and "give [wounds]...(give) stripes" respectively, according to Strong's Hebrew Dictionary. The vicious whipping that Jesus received on His back (His "stripes") certainly fulfills this part of the prophecy. Isaiah also said that Jesus will bring peace (peace with God) and healing to us.

Consider that if the salvation parts of Isaiah's prophecy apply to us (and certainly they do) then the healing parts of Isaiah's prophecy apply to us also.

Here's that passage in a more literal translation of the Bible (Young's Literal Translation):
Isaiah 53:4 (YLT): "Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains--he hath carried them, And we--we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted."
Isaiah 53:5 (YLT): "And he is pierced for our transgressions, Bruised for our iniquities, The chastisement of our peace is on him, And by his bruise there is healing to us." ...
Isaiah 53:12 (YLT): "Therefore I give a portion to him among the many, And with the mighty he apportioneth spoil, Because that he exposed to death his soul, And with transgressors he was numbered, And he the sin of many hath borne, And for transgressors he intercedeth."

Isaiah said that "our sicknesses he hath borne [taken away] ... And he the sin of many hath borne [taken away]." Notice that Jesus took away all of our sicknesses, just as He took away all of our sins. We receive healing as a free gift by faith, just as we receive salvation as a free gift by faith.

Except Mt in chapter 8 provides the correct understanding for us.
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

 

[awaken]

He tasted death for every man, and gives to all eternal life, yet all the Apostles died. If the Lord tarries, you will die.

The end of this life and the death of this body is not the death from which we are saved. The healing of this body is not the healing promised to all through Christ's Atonement.

Where have I ever denied that! I have never said we will not die! Please address and disprove what I am saying with scriptures!

 

[awaken]

Except Mt in chapter 8 provides the correct understanding for us.
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

And is he still not the same! Can he not cast out spirits with his word, and heal the sick?

 

[Aaron]

Where have I ever denied that! I have never said we will not die! Please address and disprove what I am saying with scriptures!

Dude, focus.

Your insistance that Christ's atonement promises physical healing to all is the same thing as saying that His promise of eternal life means one will not die.

 

[awaken]

Dude, focus.

Your insistance that Christ's atonement promises physical healing to all is the same thing as saying that His promise of eternal life means one will not die.

He did die for all! But not all will except His gift of salvation!

 

[Tom Butler]

Except Mt in chapter 8 provides the correct understanding for us.
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

So, Jesus fulfilled Isaiah 53:4, not in his death, but in his lifetime, in the evening, in Capernaum. Clearly, Jesus did not die for our sicknesses.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Jesus ministry...who is to carry it out?

All of us, through Christs enabling. His life flowing through us.


Gods magnificant Universal Church.

Praise the Lord!

 

[awaken]

All of us, through Christs enabling. His life flowing through us.


Gods magnificant Universal Church.

Praise the Lord!

Yes!:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Aaron]

He did die for all! But not all will except His gift of salvation!

Those that have accepted it still die a physical death.

 

[awaken]

Those that have accepted it still die a physical death.

Again...I have never said otherwise! We will all die a physical death...even at the rapture! Because physical death is when our body and spirit is seperated, right?

 

[Iconoclast]

So, Jesus fulfilled Isaiah 53:4, not in his death, but in his lifetime, in the evening, in Capernaum. Clearly, Jesus did not die for our sicknesses.

yes :wavey::thumbsup: he did. the scripture says it happened that way.

 

[Aaron]

Again...I have never said otherwise!

But you are saying that physical healing is promised to all based on the same kind of verses and reasoning.

My point is that the verses you are saying promise physical healing to all do not actually do that, just as the verses that promise life do not promise a stay of physical death.

We will all die a physical death...even at the rapture!

No. Paul said we will not all die a physical death, but we will all be changed.

 

[awaken]

The New Testament also says that Jesus enabled us to receive salvation and healing:

1 Peter 2:24: "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed."

In the above verse, Peter was paraphrasing Isaiah 53:4-5. Notice that both Peter and Isaiah mentioned that Jesus purchased our salvation as well as our healing in the Atonement.

 

[Iconoclast]

the healing is in reference to sin...Peter is speaking about sin.

 

[awaken]

the healing is in reference to sin...Peter is speaking about sin.

When Peter used the word "wounds" in 1 Peter 2:24 (above), he used the Greek word molops. Strong's Greek Dictionary says that molops means "blow-mark:--stripe." When Isaiah used the word "wounds" (above), the Hebrew word is chabbuwrah. Strong's Hebrew Dictionary says that chabbuwrah means "blueness, bruise, hurt, stripe, wound." In the Greek and in the Hebrew, these words specifically mean "wound" or "stripe mark." Peter and Isaiah were not talking about Jesus' death, but instead they were specifically talking about His wounds (His "stripes").

Here's how a Greek dictionary describes the Greek word molops:
"A welt, a mark of fighting, a blow or wound made in war, also a scar, wheal, or the mark left on the body by the stripe of the whip. Used figuratively in 1 Pet. 2:24 referring to stripes, quoted from Is. 53:5." (The Complete Word Study Dictionary of the New Testament, Spiros Zodhiates, p.1000, emphasis added)

So the Greek word molops specifically refers to a mark on the body which results from a wound, especially the type of stripe mark created by the vicious whipping that Jesus received on His back. When Peter and Isaiah referred to Jesus' "stripes" they meant His stripes, not His death.

Peter said that Jesus' stripes brought healing to us, and he used the Greek word iaomai ("healing") in that verse. In the vast majority of places where iaomai is used in the New Testament, it always refers to physical healing (here are the references: Matthew 8:8, 13, 15:28, Mark 5:29, Luke 5:17, 6:17, 19, 7:7, 8:2, 47, 9:2, 11, 42, 17:15, 22:51, John 4:47, 5:13, Acts 3:11, 9:34, 10:38, 28:8, Hebrews 12:13). In several places, it's possible that iaomai does not refer to physical healing (Matthew 13:15, Luke 4:18, John 12:40, James 5:16). So how do we know which meaning Peter was using?

The apostle Matthew quoted from Isaiah's prophecy, just as Peter did, and Matthew specifically said that it involves physical healing. Therefore, Jesus' death purchased our salvation, and His "stripes" somehow purchased physical healing for us.

Notice that Peter did not say that Jesus' death healed us, but instead Peter said that Jesus' wounds healed us. 1 Peter 2:24 (above) does not refer to salvation because it's not talking about Jesus' death. In other words, the stripes from the whip are different from a death on a cross.

In addition, 1 Peter 2:24 (above) does not refer to "spiritual healing" because our old self must be crucified (Romans 6:6, Galatians 2:20, 5:24). When we receive salvation, it doesn't cause our spirit to become "patched" or "healed." Instead, we're given a new spirit.

So Jesus' stripes on His back purchased physical healing, and Jesus' death on the cross purchased salvation.

 

[Iconoclast]

Peter said that Jesus' stripes brought healing to us, and he used the Greek word iaomai ("healing") in that verse. In the vast majority of places where iaomai is used in the New Testament, it always refers to physical healing (here are the references: Matthew 8:8, 13, 15:28, Mark 5:29, Luke 5:17, 6:17, 19, 7:7, 8:2, 47, 9:2, 11, 42, 17:15, 22:51, John 4:47, 5:13, Acts 3:11, 9:34, 10:38, 28:8, Hebrews 12:13). In several places, it's possible that iaomai does not refer to physical healing (Matthew 13:15, Luke 4:18, John 12:40, James 5:16). So how do we know which meaning Peter was using?


Look at hebrews 12:13.....the whole chapter is addressing sin,and God chastening sin..it is not speaking of physical healing at all

pink;
In Ezekiel 7:16, 17 we read, "But they that escape of them shall escape, and shall be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, every one for his iniquity. All hands shall be feeble, and all knees shall be as weak as water:" here the reference is to that inertia which is produced by poignant conviction of sin after a season of backsliding. Again, in Ezekiel 21:7 we are told, "When they shall say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings, because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall fail, and all knees shall be as weak as water:" where we behold the paralyzing effects of consternation in view of the tidings of sore judgment. But in our text the reference is to the disheartenment caused by fierce opposition and persecution. Despair and becoming weary of well doing are the two evils in all our afflictions which we most need to guard against. It is failure at this point which has led to so many scandalous backslidings and cursed apostasies. Such an exhortation as the one before us intimates that the Hebrews had either already given way to an enervating spirit of gloom or were in great danger of so doing.
"Lest that which is lame be turned out of the way." The word "lest" is a translation of two Greek words, "that not." It is a word of caution and prevention, warning each of us that carelessness as to our own walk is likely to have an ill effect upon weaker Christians. The word "lame" is transferred from the body to some defect of our graces which unfits the soul for the discharge of Christian duty: one who is lame is ill-capacitated to run in a race, and one who is lacking in courage, zeal, and perseverance is ill-fitted to fight the good fight of faith.
"But let it rather be healed." "Heal" signifies to correct that which is amiss. It is the recovering of a lapsed one which is here in view. Instead of despising sickly Christians, exercise love’s sympathy toward them. While we should be thankful if God has granted us healthy graces, we must beware of presumption: "If a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted" (Gal. 6:1). To those groaning under the burden of sin, tell them of the sufficiency of Christ’s blood. To those fearful about the future, remind them of God’s faithfulness. To those who are despondent, seek to cheer by citing some of God’s precious promises. Study the holy art of speaking a word in season to the needy. You will be of great value to the church if you develop a spirit of compassion and the gift of lifting up those fallen by the wayside."

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In 1pet2:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Peter only spoke of sin...in 2:1,2;11 , and here....You have to put physical healing in the text because it was not there...it says he bear our sins.....not physical healing

 

[awaken]

Peter said that Jesus' stripes brought healing to us, and he used the Greek word iaomai ("healing") in that verse. In the vast majority of places where iaomai is used in the New Testament, it always refers to physical healing (here are the references: Matthew 8:8, 13, 15:28, Mark 5:29, Luke 5:17, 6:17, 19, 7:7, 8:2, 47, 9:2, 11, 42, 17:15, 22:51, John 4:47, 5:13, Acts 3:11, 9:34, 10:38, 28:8, Hebrews 12:13). In several places, it's possible that iaomai does not refer to physical healing (Matthew 13:15, Luke 4:18, John 12:40, James 5:16). So how do we know which meaning Peter was using?


Look at hebrews 12:13.....the whole chapter is addressing sin,and God chastening sin..it is not speaking of physical healing at all

pink;
In Ezekiel 7:16, 17 we read, "But they that escape of them shall escape, and shall be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, every one for his iniquity. All hands shall be feeble, and all knees shall be as weak as water:" here the reference is to that inertia which is produced by poignant conviction of sin after a season of backsliding. Again, in Ezekiel 21:7 we are told, "When they shall say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings, because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall fail, and all knees shall be as weak as water:" where we behold the paralyzing effects of consternation in view of the tidings of sore judgment. But in our text the reference is to the disheartenment caused by fierce opposition and persecution. Despair and becoming weary of well doing are the two evils in all our afflictions which we most need to guard against. It is failure at this point which has led to so many scandalous backslidings and cursed apostasies. Such an exhortation as the one before us intimates that the Hebrews had either already given way to an enervating spirit of gloom or were in great danger of so doing.
"Lest that which is lame be turned out of the way." The word "lest" is a translation of two Greek words, "that not." It is a word of caution and prevention, warning each of us that carelessness as to our own walk is likely to have an ill effect upon weaker Christians. The word "lame" is transferred from the body to some defect of our graces which unfits the soul for the discharge of Christian duty: one who is lame is ill-capacitated to run in a race, and one who is lacking in courage, zeal, and perseverance is ill-fitted to fight the good fight of faith.
"But let it rather be healed." "Heal" signifies to correct that which is amiss. It is the recovering of a lapsed one which is here in view. Instead of despising sickly Christians, exercise love’s sympathy toward them. While we should be thankful if God has granted us healthy graces, we must beware of presumption: "If a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted" (Gal. 6:1). To those groaning under the burden of sin, tell them of the sufficiency of Christ’s blood. To those fearful about the future, remind them of God’s faithfulness. To those who are despondent, seek to cheer by citing some of God’s precious promises. Study the holy art of speaking a word in season to the needy. You will be of great value to the church if you develop a spirit of compassion and the gift of lifting up those fallen by the wayside."

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In 1pet2:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Peter only spoke of sin...in 2:1,2;11 , and here....You have to put physical healing in the text because it was not there...it says he bear our sins.....not physical healing

It might seem like a strange concept to us that healing and atonement are closely linked together. However, it wasn't such a strange concept to the first-century Jews because healing and atonement often went hand in hand throughout the Old Testament.