Jesus, The Sin-Offering for the Whole World.

[Van]

Yet, no one who has read it here at the BB, reads conditional election into the verse. You are the only one. This means you are not correct in your statement. Moreso, you misinterpret the verse itself and do not grasp faith as being authored and finished by God as a gift to all whom He has chosen. No conditions added.

You do not know what others understand the verse to say, you just make it up and post it.

I am aware of the Calvinist false doctrines, and the fiction you seem to believe. There is no support anywhere in scripture, for Calvinism. For example, unconditional election is clearly shown to be fiction by 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and James 2:5.

 

[Iconoclast]

Note the complete absence of any specific issue, just a wordy "taint so."

Christ laid down His life as the Lamb of God, the sin offering for all humankind, and when God accepted His sacrifice for sin, Christ became the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world, all humankind.

You avoid the Covenant atonement of the elect as the object of it.
You will not come to truth but instead keep offering guesses.

 

[Van]

You avoid the Covenant atonement of the elect as the object of it.
You will not come to truth but instead keep offering guesses.

It must be wonderful to be able to read my mind.

I am aware of the Calvinist false doctrines, and the fiction you seem to believe. There is no support anywhere in scripture, for Calvinism. For example, unconditional election is clearly shown to be fiction by 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and James 2:5.

 

[AustinC]

You do not know what others understand the verse to say, you just make it up and post it.

I am aware of the Calvinist false doctrines, and the fiction you seem to believe. There is no support anywhere in scripture, for Calvinism. For example, unconditional election is clearly shown to be fiction by 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and James 2:5.

I know that at present zero people have expressed agreement with you on this verse.

 

[AustinC]

It must be wonderful to be able to read my mind.

I am aware of the Calvinist false doctrines, and the fiction you seem to believe. There is no support anywhere in scripture, for Calvinism. For example, unconditional election is clearly shown to be fiction by 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and James 2:5.

What is Calvinism in your mind, Van? Is it what Calvin taught? If so, reference the statements of Calvin.

 

[Iconoclast]

It must be wonderful to be able to read my mind.

I am aware of the Calvinist false doctrines, and the fiction you seem to believe. There is no support anywhere in scripture, for Calvinism. For example, unconditional election is clearly shown to be fiction by 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and James 2:5.

You are an open book Van. You have repeated these novelty ideas so often that it seems as if you believe them. Many of the us hoped you would have made some progress by now.
I have come to know some people who just like the attention .
Maybe that explains it

 

[Van]

I know that at present zero people have expressed agreement with you on this verse.

Here we have an appeal to the fallacy of the relationship of opinion to truth.

 

[Iconoclast]

I know that at present zero people have expressed agreement with you on this verse.

Zero is correct. Not this year,not last year....if fact it has been a long time.

 

[Van]

What is Calvinism in your mind, Van? Is it what Calvin taught? If so, reference the statements of Calvin.

Endless change the subject to Van posts is all they have to defend their obviously false doctrine of unconditional election in light of 2 Thessalonians 2:13

 

[Iconoclast]

Here we have an appeal to the fallacy of the relationship of opinion to truth.

Or just a correct observation.He is trying to be help you....take the help!

 

[Van]

You are an open book Van. You have repeated these novelty ideas so often that it seems as if you believe them. Many of the us hoped you would have made some progress by now.
I have come to know some people who just like the attention .
Maybe that explains it

Yet another change the subject to Van post. This is all the posters have, since 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and James 2:5 show God chooses believers for salvation, a conditional election.

 

[Van]

Or just a correct observation.He is trying to be help you....take the help!

Now we have the whopper of the thread, these Calvinists are changing the subject to me to help me. If you believe that, I have a bridge for sale. Endless change the subject to Van posts is all they have to defend their obviously false doctrine of unconditional election in light of 2 Thessalonians 2:13

 

[Iconoclast]

Yet another change the subject to Van post. This is all the posters have, since 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and James 2:5 show God chooses believers for salvation, a conditional election.

No...strange as it seems to you no one believes that. Only you.
That us what people are trying to communicate to you.

 

[Iconoclast]

Now we have the whopper of the thread, these Calvinists are changing the subject to me to help me. If you believe that, I have a bridge for sale. Endless change the subject to Van posts is all they have to defend their obviously false doctrine of unconditional election in light of 2 Thessalonians 2:13

On tv they are have shows where people intervene in someone's life and try to help the person see and face the struggles they face...it is like that.

 

[Van]

No...strange as it seems to you no one believes that. Only you.
That us what people are trying to communicate to you.

Right, there are no Arminian believers! What complete rubbish.

 

[Van]

On tv they are have shows where people intervene in someone's life and try to help the person see and face the struggles they face...it is like that.

On and on, one subject change after another. But 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and James 2:5 teach conditional election through faith in God and love of God. So simple a child could understand it.

 

[Salty]

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