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Jesus VS today’s gospel of the kingdom

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1689Dave said:
What does Paul mean "great falling away"? It is a mass departure of tares form Christendom as happened with Catholicism and the Papal Antichrist. And you teach the same apostasy which either deludes those who are saved or adds numbers to the false prophecy of Premillennialism. Condemned as Heresy by the early church.
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I don't know what you are talking about. By your logic, I suppose that you are an apostate from Islam.
 
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Revmitchell said:
Its quite dishonest to argue that every other orthodox doctrine in which we disagree with is a false gospel. Further, its childish.
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It is also dishonest to call a doctrine orthodox, when it clearly isn't. Truth isn't truth unless it's completely true. Partial truth is not truth at all.
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church mouse guy said:
I don't know what you are talking about. By your logic, I suppose that you are an apostate from Islam.
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What does Paul mean when he says the same as I do?

“Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,” 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NCPB)
 
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church mouse guy said:
That is illogical in my opinion. When a train is pulling out of a depot, you are either on the train or you are not on the train.
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39.34 ἀνίσταμαιe; ἐπανίσταμαι; στάσιςa, εως f; ἐπίστασιςb, εως f; ἀποστασία, ας f; ἀκαταστασίαa, ας f: to rise up in open defiance of authority, with the presumed intention to overthrow it or to act in complete opposition to its demands—‘to rebel against, to revolt, to engage in insurrection, rebellion.’6ἀνίσταμαιe: πρὸ γὰρ τούτων τῶν ἡμερῶν ἀνέστη Θευδᾶς … καὶ ἐγένοντο εἰς οὐδέν ‘some time ago Theudas rebelled … but they came to nothing’ or ‘… the movement died out’ Ac 5:36.
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 495). New York: United Bible Societies.
 
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1689Dave said:
What does Paul mean when he says the same as I do?

“Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,” 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NCPB)
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yet to hepper future time when vast parts of the professing Christendom go apostate!
 
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MB said:
It is also dishonest to call a doctrine orthodox, when it clearly isn't. Truth isn't truth unless it's completely true. Partial truth is not truth at all.
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He equates one holding to Dispy premil, or even premil period as being about same as denying Jesus is God!
 
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1689Dave said:
What does Paul mean when he says the same as I do?

“Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,” 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NCPB)
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He is talking about apostasy on the Christian church.
 
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1689Dave said:
39.34 ἀνίσταμαιe; ἐπανίσταμαι; στάσιςa, εως f; ἐπίστασιςb, εως f; ἀποστασία, ας f; ἀκαταστασίαa, ας f: to rise up in open defiance of authority, with the presumed intention to overthrow it or to act in complete opposition to its demands—‘to rebel against, to revolt, to engage in insurrection, rebellion.’6ἀνίσταμαιe: πρὸ γὰρ τούτων τῶν ἡμερῶν ἀνέστη Θευδᾶς … καὶ ἐγένοντο εἰς οὐδέν ‘some time ago Theudas rebelled … but they came to nothing’ or ‘… the movement died out’ Ac 5:36.
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 495). New York: United Bible Societies.
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The train left the station.
 
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church mouse guy said:
My friend 1689 is a preterist so he takes a dim view of historic beliefs. I don't know about you but I think future Jewish sacrifices will be useless. We can't even stop Santeria from sacrificing animals in Florida so I can't think that we can tell Jews what to do in a third temple in Jerusalem sometime in the future.. America is very weak because of a heavy debt burden so the domestic enemies of liberty are on a murder and robbery rampage. Do you see any improvement in the future?
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I used to think so, too. But many of the sacrifices were times of rejoicing and sharing of meals. The sacrificial system was what was supposed to sustain the Levitic tribe.

I don't necessarily recommend RJ Rushdoony for everything he said, but he gave a compelling reason for sacrifices, even in a post-DBR-of-Jesus-world that made some sense.
And in fact, many preachers before the present day (and still in rural areas and in other countries) were not just given money, but were given a portion of people's produce and meat in order to have what they needed to feed their families.

Do I see improvement in America in the future? I'm having a hard time doing so. But there are some interesting things that are happening due to the COVID 19 shutdowns and the George Floyd and Antifa riots. For instance:
  • Many parents are now seeing their children and discipling them to a much greater degree now that they are not at school or other activities so much of the time. (Which reminds me that Jesus said Elijah will indeed come first, turning the hearts of the fathers to their children and children to their fathers. Matt 17:11 and Mal 4:6)
  • Churches are meeting in smaller groups, where it is easier to get to know each other and stay accountable and be available to help in time of need. (Ex 18:25)
  • There have been a number of people that have been asking their neighbors about their faith because of the disconcerting events. (1 Pet 3:15)
  • I'm not sure it is always a benefit for people to turn to the republican party for answers, but I think in many cities where rioters have been allowed to do their damage, many are either fleeing the cities or are seriously questioning the democrat policies. (1 Cor 6:9-10)
 
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