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I disagree with your assuption here if what you say is true, then they were not His own;
He does not need faith, but he does give faith to men (Phil 1:28).
This is certainly true and is what Calvinism teaches. God does not force people to believe or to reject. THat is a comomonly stated objection that shows how much misunderstanding there is.
I disagree;
If that's true then how did all those Jews resist his will?
I disagree because it is not within God's character to do this. It is how ever His will that all men be saved.
Faith is the acceptance of what we are told and haven't seen. It's true we have to accept it as truth. It is not forced on us. It is we who first trust in Christ .
I'm sorry Pastor Larry I disagree with you again.
I disagree;
If that's true then how did all those Jews resist his will?
I disagree because it is not within God's character to do this. It is how ever His will that all men be saved.
Faith is the acceptance of what we are told and haven't seen. It's true we have to accept it as truth. It is not forced on us. It is we who first trust in Christ .
'But without faith it is impossible to please Him,' {Hebrews 11:6} sure sounds like God wants a human response from sinners. If God was giving out faith and the decision was coming from Him, why would He not save all sinners?
Man's part is to "POSSESS" faith! Faith is not a work, it is a possession! One that comes to man by "HEARING" the Word of God and Believing what it says, and in whom it is said! Faith is a possession that each human must have to be saved into eternal life BY GOD!
I did read the context and Yor right Jesus was a Jew. But you are over looking the fact that the Jews were God's chosen people. Not individually but as a nation chosen for Salvation because Salvation was of the Jews only at that time. They were and still are elect. How ever a few at the time of there rejection of Christ were broken out of the tree of Israel, so that the Gentiles could be grafted in.
This is what you claim but you haven't proven it to be so. Romans 11:11 is proof that election is universal.
WRONG! God does not give that which He Himself does not possess! He made us with the ability to possess faith, but did not fill that ability with faith that he "gave us".
WRONG! God does not give that which He Himself does not possess! He made us with the ability to possess faith, but did not fill that ability with faith that he "gave us".
Ray, EVERY quote I offered on Finney was from his OWN Systematic Theology, in context and word for word. I even gave you the page numbers and told you the edition in my original post.
Really? Institution of learning, date of graduation, please I would like to check on that. Also, I'd like the same information on your MMasters level and undergraduate degrees. If you have a Th.D at that level, you would not make so many basic errors.
I guess we will just have to agree we disagree because God's word says that believing in Christ is the work of God.
Ask your self this question What's the difference between trust and Faith? Is there a difference?
This is true man does resist and if it was in God's Character to force man He certainly could but He doesn't because God wants our love and true love cannot be forced.
I beg your pardon Just where did I contradict my self. So far this conversation has been about faith and trust and the origins of faith You say it is mans I say it is given to man through the word. You deny this then tell me that faith is from man only this means man saves Him self or does something to make himself worthy. I say this is an impossible explanation of how we acquire faith.
I see you as saying that the Five Points of Calvinism goes back sixteen centuries before Calvin himself came along with his 95 Thesis. Here, I believe you are right because Augustine defined these doctrines and John Calvin only systematized his views, which must have been right because they were passed down through the holy Roman Catholic Church. You see, from the time of the Apostolate to Augustine there was a more Biblical approach to the Scriptures. There is no question that Augustine was bright, but he did not have the tools to interpret Scripture because he could not even recite the Biblical Greek alphabet. Latin yes!
Sinners or saints do not work for their salvation. This is a firm plank in Biblical teaching/Arminianism. [Ephesians 2:9] ' . . . not of works lest any person should boast.'
This is what Scripture says in John 3:16;Acts 2:21; Acts 16:31; I John 5:13. Do you have any problem with believing in Jesus so that sins can be covered by His atonement and new life given to the penitent?
Yes, we are to contend for and defend the Christian faith that has been delivered to the saints. [Jude vs. 3]
Yes, even are trials and testing and temptations are useful in His personal plan for our lives. Sometimes it does not feel good or appear good while we are going through some things, but afterward it yields to a deeper love for Him and a development in our personal life of holiness before Him.
I don't think I understand your quote above. I believe that 'every perfect gift comes down to us from the Father of lights.'
Yes, without the ministry of the Spirit of God no conviction or convincing can take place in the life of the lost.
Here is where we come into the picture. We are to witness and show the lost that their acts of goodness are but 'filthy rags' in His sight. The O.T. says, that even 'the plowing of the wicked is sin.' He views every sinner as being sin personified.
What doctrines?
You are articulate in what you have said, but we could take a little more detail as to what doctrines you believe are doctrines of grace. If they are the Five Points Of Calvinism, we then know what you are defending, but then Brother James is not a Calvinist as you pointed out in your first sentence of your quote.