John 10:15 and the Atonement

[Wes Outwest]

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Not having faith may be a sin, but you don't die for sin you die because you have not faith! You don't die for what you do, you die because you LACK FAITH!

My actual statement,

Though I do not agree, Not having faith may be a sin, but you don't die for sin you die because you have not faith! You don't die for what you do, you die because you LACK FAITH!

That is a contradiction. There is no way that you thought about that before you wrote it. AT least, it seems that way. Why would you say something so incoherent? It may be a sin because people don't die because of sin?</font>[/QUOTE]Twist.

Clearly, failure to believe is a sin, and people die for failure to believe, by your own admission. Therefore, contrary to one of your claims, and consistent with another of your claims, people die because of sin.

However, Scripture makes clear in Rev 21:8 that people go to hell for things other than unbelief. Unbelief is simply one of hte things listed there.

Clearly, DISOBEDIENCE OF GOD IS THE SIN, unbelief is the result of disobedience!

Driving your car too fast for conditions is the sin, LEAVING THE ROAD AND IMPACTING THE TREE IS THE CONSEQUENCE! The driver did not die for leaving the road, he died for driving too fast for conditionn, which is disobedience of the law!

God's command is that we obey HIM! When we disobey (the sin), there are consequences (results)! Many are fatal, but the consequences are not the sin, disobedience is the sin. Each of those infractions you posted is the result of disobedience of God, which is the sin that manifests itself in various forms that have other names. All of them are an indication of NOT HAVING FAITH IN GOD! For if you have faith in God you will not do those acts that are covered BY Jesus' ATONEMENT! The Penalty for doing those things, even disobedience, has been paid in full. Not having faith in God is the only reason for the second death, the lake of fire! All creatures that lack faith in God are judged as EVIL, and are cast into the lack of fire, beginning with Satan himself!

 

[Wes Outwest]

By the way, there is no scripture that covers cars impacting trees!

 

[GeneMBridges]

DISOBEDIENCE OF GOD IS THE SIN

Well, where that is mentioned in Greek, the word is "apeitheia" for BOTH "disobedience" and "unbelief." If disobedience is a sin, then unbelief is also a sin, because, in Greek, THEY ARE THE SAME WORD.

According your logic, then the sin of adultery is also the sin of disobedience, so there is no such thing as the sin of adultery.

Your position is unbiblical, indefensible, and illogical.

 

[Wes Outwest]

Isn't adultry the result of disobeying God's command to not do it? If one obeys God, one does not end up guilty of adultry!