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John 3:16, The Meaning of "kosmos"

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agedman

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Repentance and salvation are the same coin.

One may have “worldly sorrow” but that is not repentance.

The Holy Spirit’s responsibility is to bring conviction, judgement, and righteousness. Without those three there can be no true repentance/salvation.

That remembered, it is also important to keep in mind that not everyone will express repentance by signs of remorse.

Some have acknowledgement and determination.

Some have depression and despondency.

Some have hand clapping jumping for joy release.

But without true repentance there is no salvation.

God does not save so one can keep going the same direction.

Repentance means, turn around and go the other way.
 

SGO

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"For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach,
because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men,
specially of those that believe."
1 Timothy 4:10

"And he is the propitiation for our sins;
and not for ours only,
but also for the sins of the whole world."
1 John 2:2
 
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agedman

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"For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach,
because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men,
specially of those that believe."
1 Timothy 4:10

"And he is the propitiation for our sins;
and not for ours only,
but also for the sins of the whole world."
1 John 2:2
Certainly. There is not a sin sinned that the blood has not sufficiently remised.

Yet, not all are reconciled to God.

Therefore, God, who is the one and only Savior of all men (for none can come but through Him) is especially the Savior of those that are His, who He knows, and whose name when called respond to His voice.
 

utilyan

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Certainly. There is not a sin sinned that the blood has not sufficiently remised.

Yet, not all are reconciled to God.

Therefore, God, who is the one and only Savior of all men (for none can come but through Him) is especially the Savior of those that are His, who He knows, and whose name when called respond to His voice.


"Yet, not all are reconciled to God."

This is true though I suspect you mean "God is not reconciled to all."

Here is what you should focus on:

20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Does God WANT and DESIRE all to be reconciled to God? Remember GOD is running HIS APPEAL THROUGH US, BEGGING on BEHALF OF CHRIST, to be reconciled to God.

Does that sound like GOD WANTS and DESIRES Reconciliation?
 

percho

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World = the ordered configuration or system, God laid down, relative to the formless, empty darkness of the earth, which God then: Rom 8:20 for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it -- in hope, <John 3:16 1 Peter 1:18-20 Redeemed from vanity, by the blood.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
 
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Van

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For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”

Here some would have us believe, that the Greek word, “kosmos”, which is rendered “world” in all English versions of the Bible, should take on a limited, special sense of the world, as to only refer to "the elect". It is assumed, that, because there are instances in Scripture, where “kosmos” is used in the sense, where the entire world is not intended (and I will not deny that this is indeed true), that this warrants this limited use in our present text. Is this a valid argument? The present context will prove beyond any doubt, that this is not only not the case, but, if anyone would press this limited meaning here, to apply only to the “elect”, then it causes them problems.

Firstly, it might be shown, that there is not a single Greek lexicon that I know of, that says that “kosmos” here has a meaning that does not mean the “whole world” (that is, “everyone without exception).

J H Thayer

the inhabitants of the earth, the human race” (Lexicon, p.357)

W Ardnt & F Gingrich

the world as mankind…of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the objects of God’s love” (Lexicon, p.447)

Edward Robinson

the world for the inhabitants of the earth, men mankind” (Lexicon, p.440)

John Parkhurst

The world, i.e. the whole race of mankind, both believers and unbelievers, both good and bad” (Lexicon, p.336)

S T Bloomfield

“the world for its inhabitants, mankind” (Greek Lexicon, p. 227)

G Kittle and G Friedrich

“The cosmos is the universe (Jn.3:16-17, Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, One Vol. Ed., p. 464)

W E Vine

“the human race, mankind” (Expository Dictionary, p. 685)

Are we to assume that all of the above lexicons are wrong in the meanings that they give for “kosmos”? There is no doubt to the honest mind, that the use of “kosmos” here can only mean “the whole human race”. To make it mean something less, is a distortion of the facts!

In our immediate context, “kosmos” is used four times, once in verse 16, and three times in verse 17. If we were to limit its use in verse 16, to refer only to the “elect”, then we must carry on this use in the following verse also. Where we read:

“For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved”

Let is substitute the word “world” in each of these cases with “elect”, and see how it reads.

“For God did not send His Son into the elect to condemn the elect, but that the elect through Him might be saved”

If, as it is argued by some, that Christ only came to save the “elect”, then why would any mention ever be made about Him coming to “condemn”, or “judge” the “elect”? These words have no meaning at all, if they are meant to be for the “elect” only. There would not be any reference made to any judgement or condemnation of the “elect”, as this is something that is not at all even a possibility. John 5: 24 says:

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life”

The believer is said not to come into any “judgment”, or “condemnation”, as they have “passed from death into life”, which has already said to have taken place, when the sinner trusted in Jesus for their salvation.

Further, in verse 17 we read, that “the elect might be saved through Him” Here we have the Greek “sothe” (might be saved), which is in the subjunctive mood, which is used to denote “possibility”, in that it is not something “certain”. It is true, that as in verses 15 and 16, where the word apoletai (KJV “should not perish) is used, it is with the “hina” clause, which, though in the subjunctive mood, is yet in both cases “certain”, because in each case the negative “me” (me_apoletai) is used. This will then render the clause as “shall not perish”. However, in verse 17, even though “sothe” is used with “hina” (hina sothe), there is no negative particle used as in verse 15 and 16, which would require the clause to have the meaning of “possibility”, which is correctly rendered in English as “might be saved” Does this then mean, that the salvation of the “elect” is only a “possibility”? If we are to take the words to mean “shall be saved”, then we would expect Jesus to have said: “sothese”, as in Romans 10:9, “ That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

Dr Robert Dabney, who was a Calvinist, has this to say on the use of “kosmos” here:

“In Jno.iii.16, make ‘the world’ which Christ loved, to mean ‘the elect world’, and we reach the absurdity, that some of the elect may not believe, and perish…since Christ made expiation for every man” (Systematic Theology, p.525)

We should note, that in verses 15 and 16, “believes”, is in the Greek, “pisteuno”, which is the present, continuance, tense, literally, “continues to believe”.

We can only conclude from these facts, that there is no Biblical justification for us to take “kosmos” the this passage, to mean anything other than “the sum total of the human race”, and NOT as the Calvinist would have us believe, because of their theological bias found in the heresy of “Limited Atonement”, that it only refers to the “elect”. Can any honest mind doubt that this great passage is the hope of mankind, for salvation through our Great Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ?

John Calvin, had this to say on this verse:

That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.”

Calvin’s own language is what is not used by any “Calvinist” who believes in “Limited Atonement”. “all men without distinction” is the language that a “Calvinist” would use, so as to distort what the Bible actually teaches, yet the “Calvinists” own “leader”, John Calvin, himself believed that Jesus Christ dies for THE WHOLE WORLD, that is, EVERY HUMAN BEING!

For those Calvinists who still insist that John Calvin taught any “limitation” to the Death of Jesus Christ, that it was not for the sins of the entire human race. Calvin himself clarifies his position.

On Mark 14:24, where Jesus says:

“And He said to them, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many”

Calvin says:

Which is shed for many. By the word many he means not a part of the world only, but the whole human race; for he contrasts many with one; as if he had said, that he will not be the Redeemer of one man only, but will die in order to deliver many from the condemnation of the curse”

And, on Colossians 1:14, “In whom we have redemption”, Calvin says:

“He says that this redemption was procured through the blood of Christ, for by the sacrifice of his death all the sins of the world have been expiated”

The Greek word translated usually as "world" has a range of meanings. And one of those meanings is "mankind."

One way I use to test whether a certain meaning among others is intended is to translate the verse or passage using the possible meaning and seeing if it fits everywhere.

John 3:16 God loved mankind in this way, He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish but have eternal life.

Seems to convey the meaning with greater clarity. Now if you replace "mankind" with "planet earth" you get nonsense because inorganic material has no ability to be "believing."
 

JD731

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The Greek word translated usually as "world" has a range of meanings. And one of those meanings is "mankind."

One way I use to test whether a certain meaning among others is intended is to translate the verse or passage using the possible meaning and seeing if it fits everywhere.

John 3:16 God loved mankind in this way, He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish but have eternal life.

Seems to convey the meaning with greater clarity. Now if you replace "mankind" with "planet earth" you get nonsense because inorganic material has no ability to be "believing."


There are two people groups on the earth who have a hard time believing that God loved the world. It is Jews and Calvinists. They think that God's love is limited to them. The Jews thought it because they were born of Abraham and the Calvinists because they suppose themselves to be a special class of elected humans. In John 3 Jesus is transcending both of these groups.He is saying in John 3 that there is no limit on his love and the proof is that he, God, came in the form of a man to pay the penalty for all sin by substituting himself as the object of the anger of God against our sin.

Jesus Christ would have saved the man who drove the spikes in his hands if he would have asked him to. He did save the thief on the other cross who asked him to.
 

Van

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There are two people groups on the earth who have a hard time believing that God loved the world. It is Jews and Calvinists. They think that God's love is limited to them. The Jews thought it because they were born of Abraham and the Calvinists because they suppose themselves to be a special class of elected humans. In John 3 Jesus is transcending both of these groups.He is saying in John 3 that there is no limit on his love and the proof is that he, God, came in the form of a man to pay the penalty for all sin by substituting himself as the object of the anger of God against our sin.

Jesus Christ would have saved the man who drove the spikes in his hands if he would have asked him to. He did save the thief on the other cross who asked him to.

Yes, some people think God does not "love" all of mankind. Certainly He reserves His affectionate love for family to His born anew children. But 1 Timothy 2:4-6 clearly says God desires all people to be saved [according to His redemption plan] and therefore Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all. Even those heading for destruction (1 Peter 2:1). The reason why some cannot see to truth as presented in scripture is they believe God saves individuals by use of compulsion, because nobody suffering from total spiritual inability could be persuaded to believe fully in Christ.
 

JD731

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The reason why some cannot see to truth as presented in scripture is they believe God saves individuals by use of compulsion, because nobody suffering from total spiritual inability could be persuaded to believe fully in Christ.


What a sad and empty predicament. I am so glad it is not true.
 

The Archangel

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I have known people to have been saved by reading the Jehovah's Witness' New World Translation. Apart from their bias raeding at places, it is the Word of God that saves lost souls!

It should be noted that the "New World Translation" isn't simply a good translation mis-read with a bias. It is, actually, wrong in translating many aspects of Greek. For instance, John 1:1 says "the word was a god" instead of what the Greek says "The Word was God." That isn't simply a bias in reading; it is a deep and unrecoverable flaw in the translation.

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The Archangel

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There are two people groups on the earth who have a hard time believing that God loved the world. It is Jews and Calvinists. They think that God's love is limited to them. The Jews thought it because they were born of Abraham and the Calvinists because they suppose themselves to be a special class of elected humans. In John 3 Jesus is transcending both of these groups.

Utter foolishness.

In John 3 Jesus is transcending both of these groups. He is saying in John 3 that there is no limit on his love and the proof is that he, God, came in the form of a man to pay the penalty for all sin by substituting himself as the object of the anger of God against our sin.

Jesus Christ would have saved the man who drove the spikes in his hands if he would have asked him to. He did save the thief on the other cross who asked him to. (emphasis mine)

The bold sections above contradict. Because the spike driver didn't ask places a limit on the love of Jesus--if you define love as only salvation, which you're obviously doing.

If, as you suggest, Jesus' love is only exhibited in the salvation of sinners, then you would have to say He didn't love those who were damned (even though they chose to reject Him).

So, maybe your concept or description of God's love needs to be better.

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MB

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Utter foolishness.



The bold sections above contradict. Because the spike driver didn't ask places a limit on the love of Jesus--if you define love as only salvation, which you're obviously doing.

If, as you suggest, Jesus' love is only exhibited in the salvation of sinners, then you would have to say He didn't love those who were damned (even though they chose to reject Him).

So, maybe your concept or description of God's love needs to be better.

The Archangel
If Christ didn't love those who did not ask of Him then why does our Lord grieve over there Loss. Just because our Lord has rules that even He lives by why call that Hate. Many hate Christ and call Him hateful but then God Loves them any way. Maybe you don't really understand what Righteous really is.
MB
 

The Archangel

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If Christ didn't love those who did not ask of Him then why does our Lord grieve over there Loss. Just because our Lord has rules that even He lives by why call that Hate. Many hate Christ and call Him hateful but then God Loves them any way. Maybe you don't really understand what Righteous really is.
MB

The point I was making, which you too have seemed to miss, is that "love" isn't reducible to "Salvation."

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MB

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Certainly. There is not a sin sinned that the blood has not sufficiently remised.

Yet, not all are reconciled to God.

Therefore, God, who is the one and only Savior of all men (for none can come but through Him) is especially the Savior of those that are His, who He knows, and whose name when called respond to His voice.
I know there are those who come for Salvation have no intention of repentance I feel sorry for them. Then there are those who truly repent and later on having to continue to repent. Paul was one who died to sin daily
The point I was making, which you too have seemed to miss, is that "love" isn't reducible to "Salvation."

The Archangel
God is Love. Salvation can be had if we are repentant The problem is many cannot repent because they simply do not have the fortitude to admit they're wrong . This is why conviction is so important. Conviction I believe breaks down pride.
MB
 
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