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John Ashcroft Resigns as Attorney General

StraightAndNarrow

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Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StraightAndNarrow:
The flame of freedom and liberty burns a little brighter with the replacement of Ashcroft as Attorney General.
Spoken like a true blue liberal. Oh, puleeese!
:rolleyes:

</font>[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true ultra right wing who doesn't really care about our constitutional liberties only politics.
 

LadyEagle

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Guess, what, SAN, turns out the guy replacing John Ashcroft is one of the crafters of the Patriot Act. Guess John Ashcroft wasn't so bad, after all, eh? So much for the flame of liberty burning brighter.
 

poncho

Well-Known Member
I imagine there must be a whole list of officially scary terrorists that have been brought to trial and convicted since the "act(s)" gave our "stumbling, rumblin, fumblin, triple fundin" intelligence agenies these much needed expanded police powers.

Isn't there?
 

The Galatian

Active Member
Actually, there's been a series of rather embarassing losses for Ashcroft when the Justice Department took on the US Constitution.

So it's probably for the best that he's leaving. On the other hand, the guy replacing him is pro-abortion, which isn't very encouraging, given that the word is this appointment is meant as a stepping stone to a seat on the Supreme Court.
 

Pastor Larry

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Nope. Your guys are still in charge.
I was being sarcastic ... Once again pointing out how utterly futile your attempt was. Of course, you were told that ahead of time but somehow couldn't see through the mist of your personal issues.

What do you think is going to be done about it, Larry?
Done about what? About abortion? I have long made my position clear on that. The battle against abortion must start with judicial appointments that will respect the law and the constitution. Since you and PJ didn't get his way, there is actually a chance that something can be done about it now.

We will see if Bush follows through. He has already on many appointments which the Dems have refused to let come to a vote over these issues. Hopefully, he will follow through.
 

The Galatian

Active Member
(Barbarian asks Larry what he thinks is going to be done about abortion)

Done about what? About abortion? I have long made my position clear on that. The battle against abortion must start with judicial appointments that will respect the law and the constitution.
But you voted for a candidate who has pledged not to do that. In fact, he says he will not make abortion a criterion when selecting candidates.

I voted for someone who said he would do that. Because for me, being a libertarian came second to doing the right thing. For you, being a republican came first.

Since you and PJ didn't get his way, there is actually a chance that something can be done about it now.
You mean because we didn't get our way, there is no chance that anything will be done about it now.

Bush has already pledged that it won't. But remember, he says that he favors abortion in some circumstances.

We, as a nation, get what we vote for. And it's people like you who assured that abortion will continue.

Gee thanks, Larry.

We will see if Bush follows through.
He already has. His first nomination after winning was pro-abortion. How about that?
 

church mouse guy

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The Fundamentalists mostly do not give Ashcroft credit because they do not want to admit to the perpetuity of spiritual gifts. I always pray that Fundamentalists will all start speaking in tongues.

Ashcroft is charismatic. He defended the country well and made no major mistake. Even Democrats like Kerry thought that the Patriot Act should be stronger.

Ashcroft was a Presidential candidate in 2000 and my first choice to be President. He would be a good Chief Justice or a good President.

Thanks and a tip of the hat to a great American, John Ashcroft! May your tribe increase!
 

Pastor Larry

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Originally posted by The Galatian:
But you voted for a candidate who has pledged not to do that. In fact, he says he will not make abortion a criterion when selecting candidates.
You have, once again, told a lie. Bush has promised to appoint strict constructionists, which everyone (but you apparenlty) knows typically means pro life. That is why the DEms and the pro abortion groups are so scared of him. Bush has appointed pro life judges and has plainly said he wants a culture where every child is protected by law and welcomed into life.

I voted for someone who said he would do that. Because for me, being a libertarian came second to doing the right thing. For you, being a republican came first.
Another lie ... Being a republican didn't come first. I am not a republican. I voted for the best interest for America. You voted for someone who was all talk and no action. If you think that was effective, then ... well, I don't know what to say. That kind of thinking has no place here.

You mean because we didn't get our way, there is no chance that anything will be done about it now.[/qutoe]No, I meant what I said.

Bush has already pledged that it won't. But remember, he says that he favors abortion in some circumstances.[/qutoe]THat is a lie. He allows abortion in some cases. That does not mean he favors it. YOu have been confronted on this lie before and you continue to tell it. That is wrong.

[qutoe]And it's people like you who assured that abortion will continue.[/qutoe]Another lie. Abortion has a better chance of being limited under Bush than under Kerry. Your way would have elected Kerry. My way elected Bush and gave the unborn a chance.

Gee thanks, Larry.
You're welcome ... At least now, we have a chance at the Supreme Court to get some pro life justices. Your way would have stacked it with pro choice justices for the next 20-30 years.

He already has. His first nomination after winning was pro-abortion. How about that?
IT was a position that has nothing to do with the abortion issue. That was already explained to you. If you spent more time listenign and learning, and less time popping off at the mouth, you would be better equipped to participate in this discussion. Your inane ramblings are mixed between funny and sad ... Funny is that someone actually believes them; sad in that someone actually believes them. It is one of those strange things in life. But by you not telling the truth, you have not helped rehabilitate your image any here. There was hope that after the election you would at least give a nod to the truth. But you have not. You have chosen to continue to be dishonest. That is only sad; it isn't funny in the least.
 

The Galatian

Active Member
Barbarian observes:
But you voted for a candidate who has pledged not to do that. In fact, he says he will not make abortion a criterion when selecting candidates.

You have, once again, told a lie.
No, but you have, Larry:

(AP) — Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush said Monday he would not require his Supreme Court nominees to pass an anti-abortion “litmus test.”
http://www.texnews.com/abilene2000/elec/bush0615.html

Never lie about something so easy to verify.

Bush has appointed pro life judges and has plainly said he wants a culture where every child is protected by law and welcomed into life.
Unless they are conceived by rape or incest. Then...

Bush opposes abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life.
“I’ve set the goal that every child born and unborn ought to be protected. But I recognize [that many] people don’t necessarily agree with the goal. People appreciate somebody who sets a tone, a tone that values life, but recognizes that people disagree.“

George Skelton, Los Angeles Times Jun 5, 2000

Barbarian on voting for a pro-life candidate:
I voted for someone who said he would do that. Because for me, being a libertarian came second to doing the right thing. For you, being a republican came first.

Another lie ... Being a republican didn't come first.
You had a choice between voting for your stated principles, or for a republican. You voted republican.

Barbarian observes:
Bush has already pledged that it won't. But remember, he says that he favors abortion in some circumstances.

THat is a lie.
See above.

He allows abortion in some cases. That does not mean he favors it. YOu have been confronted on this lie before and you continue to tell it. That is wrong.
Oh, he just "allows" it. Sort of like Kerry disagrees with abortion, but "allows" it. Very Larry.

Barbarian on the consequences of voting for a pro-abortion candidate like Bush:
And it's people like you who assured that abortion will continue.

Another lie. Abortion has a better chance of being limited under Bush than under Kerry.
Limited. That's your target? That's also Kerry's target. But if every person who opposed abortion voted for Peroutka, it would be on it's way out.

Your way would have elected Kerry.
My way would have elected Peroutka.

My way elected Bush and gave the unborn a chance.
Some chance. Bush's first nomination since the election is a pro-abortion judge for Attorney General.

Gee thanks, Larry.

You're welcome ... At least now, we have a chance at the Supreme Court to get some pro life justices.
Neither Bush nor Kerry said they would pick nominees by abortion views. In fact, they said they would not. How exactly, do they differ?

Your way would have stacked it with pro choice justices for the next 20-30 years.
We've had "antiabortion" republicans for most of the past two decades. And their nominees support abortion.

He already has. His first nomination after winning was pro-abortion. How about that?
IT was a position that has nothing to do with the abortion issue.
The AG has a responsibility to enforce the law. And he determines what the priorities are. Gonzales, in a Texas Supreme Court decision, said parents had no right to be notified if their minor children were to have an abortion.

That's the level Bush is working on. Worse, the word is that the AG post is a stepping stone to the Supreme Court.

You lied again. You got caught again. This is getting repetitious, Larry.
 

Pastor Larry

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Originally posted by The Galatian:
No, but you have, Larry:

(AP) — Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush said Monday he would not require his Supreme Court nominees to pass an anti-abortion “litmus test.”
http://www.texnews.com/abilene2000/elec/bush0615.html
YOu are not thinking Galatian. No surprise there, but necesssary to point it out. He has said over and over again that he will appoint strict constructionists who are commonly known as pro life judges. That is so simple to verify; not even you should miss that.

Never lie about something so easy to verify.[/qutoe]Exactly ... but you do it all the time. Why? I have documented you to be wrong on countless occasions. Yet you keep it up, becasue you apparently haven't learned you will get caught. AS I said before, you should try something else. You are not good at this game.

Unless they are conceived by rape or incest. Then...

Bush opposes abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life.
“I’ve set the goal that every child born and unborn ought to be protected. But I recognize [that many] people don’t necessarily agree with the goal. People appreciate somebody who sets a tone, a tone that values life, but recognizes that people disagree.“

George Skelton, Los Angeles Times Jun 5, 2000
You said that Bush favors abortion in some cases. You lied ... and got caught. Try something else for a hobby. You are not good at debate.

]You had a choice between voting for your stated principles, or for a republican. You voted republican.
I voted for the best qualified electable candidate. I refused to shirk my duty when it came time. I refuse to be unwise. It is too bad that you did not do the same. Fortunately, it didn't hurt us.

Oh, he just "allows" it. Sort of like Kerry disagrees with abortion, but "allows" it. Very Larry.
If you can't tell the difference between BUsh's and Kerry's position on abortion, you are worse off than I thought. Of course, I think you can tell, but you are too dishonest to admit it. It is pure lie to say that Bush favors abortion in some cases.

Limited. That's your target?
No, and it is not Bush's either. The target is eradicated ... protected by law and welcomed into life. LImited is the start.

My way would have elected Peroutka.
Peroutka was never electable. How do you not understand that?

Neither Bush nor Kerry said they would pick nominees by abortion views. In fact, they said they would not. How exactly, do they differ?
YOu are so uninformed. It is amazing that after this campaign you can be this uninformed. KErry said he would not appoint a judge who would overturn Roe. Bush said he would appoint strict constructionist, and if you watched the debate, Kerry jumped on that as a sign of being pro life. Kerry understands. Why don't you?

The AG has a responsibility to enforce the law. And he determines what the priorities are. Gonzales, in a Texas Supreme Court decision, said parents had no right to be notified if their minor children were to have an abortion.
The AG does not set law on abortion. He enforces it.

That's the level Bush is working on. Worse, the word is that the AG post is a stepping stone to the Supreme Court.
Maybe, maybe not. That is far from clear. Many think that the AG nomination will preclude Gonzales from a Supreme Court nomination.

You lied again. You got caught again.
Where? This is another lie by you. I didn't lie. YOu have constantly made this charge and constantly failed to prove it. You keep getting caught being dishonest, twisting words, simply being ignorant of the issues, and you try to pass yourself off as knowledgable. You should be embarrassed.

This is getting repetitious, Larry.
You're not kidding. It is too bad you haven't learned your lesson. I don't understand why you keep embarrassing yourself through this nonsense. It doesn't make sense.
 

The Galatian

Active Member
Barbarian observes:
But you voted for a candidate who has pledged not to do that. In fact, he says he will not make abortion a criterion when selecting candidates.

Larry denies the truth:
You have, once again, told a lie.

Barbarian observes:
No, but you have, Larry:

(AP) — Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush said Monday he would not require his Supreme Court nominees to pass an anti-abortion “litmus test.”
http://www.texnews.com/abilene2000/elec/bush0615.html

Never lie about something so easy to verify. I know you're trying to make an excuse for yourself now, but Bush did exactly what I said he did, and you lied about it.

Be a man, and try to do better next time.
 

Pastor Larry

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So where is the lie? You have been caught redhanded. I never denied that Bush said that about abortion being a litmus test. I actually told the whole truth, something you have a huge problem with. Your habit of distortion and misrepresentation keeps getting you caught, and it did again here. (I repeat that you should find another hobby. You are not good at this one.) What I pointed out was that he said "strict constructionism" is the key.

Do us all a favor Galatian. Do some research on strict constructionism and find out what it means. This is something that is so easily verifiable that you will even laugh at yourself when you find out. Bush did say what you said he said. I never denied that. Strict construction judges will most likely overturn Roe v. Wade. You appear to be one of the few who don't know this.

You have been caught in both ignorance and lying. They are both pretty easily remedied with a small amount of personal embarrassment for you to admit it. But you don't have to continue in that realm. You can be different. Please be different for all of our sakes ...
 

StraightAndNarrow

Active Member
Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Guess, what, SAN, turns out the guy replacing John Ashcroft is one of the crafters of the Patriot Act. Guess John Ashcroft wasn't so bad, after all, eh? So much for the flame of liberty burning brighter.
You're right. The country is only going to get worse uner Bush.
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
If it does, it won't be as bad as it would have gotten under John Kerry as president.
 

Baptist in Richmond

Active Member
Originally posted by KenH:
If it does, it won't be as bad as it would have gotten under John Kerry as president.
You cannot say that, as we will never know if this is true. I neither believe in, or give credence to "would'a, should'a, could'a" scenarios. [sic]

Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
YOu are not thinking Galatian. No surprise there, but necesssary to point it out. He has said over and over again that he will appoint strict constructionists who are commonly known as pro life judges. That is so simple to verify; not even you should miss that.
Well, let's see if he delivers on this, as "he has said [it] over and over again."
 
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