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John Calvin vs Calvinism
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Who is Calvin and who is Beza and who really cares? Honestly conversation like this is ad infinity ad nauseam.
No, it isn't. It is important to those who want to know how theology and doctrine develop. One cannot discuss Calvinism, in a meaningful way, today without being familiar with the theology of John Calvin and Theodore Beza.
SavedByGrace
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what do you mean who cares? these discussions are theology, and history is important.
If you are not interested, then move on, no need for silly comments
They are not discussing it,d they are criticizing it.
Criticizing it is discussing it.
We can't discuss or criticize Calvinism today compared to John Calvin's views if we do not recognize how Calvinism today developed.
Of course John Calvin believed in universal atonement. He made that abundantly clear. BUT he believed in unconditional ejection applied to a limited population based on God's will. So how did this develop into Limited Atonement?
Theodore Beza is one step (placing Salvation under the category of Divine Sovereignty).
The logical conclusion of John Calvin's Atonement is Limited Atonement. But it took time to get there.
No….don’t get into it with me…you’re just some individual with an agenda and I don’t like you for that quality. If you can’t treat people who have different opinions and views of scripture that doesn’t agree with yours then it’s you who needs to get out.
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By now it’s just an excuse to have an argument, to belittle and disrespect other Christian’s and behave badly. Your the moderator right, look at it from that prospective.
Then define Calvinist. Are there different types and if so then what differentiates them from other Calvinists?
SavedByGrace
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WHY do you have to come on to MY posts, with your silly childish comments? if you don't like what is being discussed, then GO AWAY!
We are Baptists. We need no excuse to have an argument.
On this topic, I really don't see how an argument can be had.
Go chase yourself
Then rudeness and disrespect for another’s belief system then! I’ve no problem with controversy but rudeness followed by this guy’s emotional unstable character is most unbecoming of the Forum.We are Baptists. We need no excuse to have an argument.
On this topic, I really don't see how an argument can be had.
SavedByGrace
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are you on any meds? please take them!
Rudeness and disrespect for a belief system is perfectly fine. Rudeness to a person isn't.
This is one of those topics where Christians forget their faith. But their own behavior testifies to their heart. So I let it go until members report specific rule violations (using the report system). I have read very few posts on this thread and am relying on the report function. It is a boring topic to me as I don't see how any legitimate argument could be had.
This site does not pay me enough to read through the thread, so members who see a rule violation needs to report the violation using the report function.
WRONG!
Romans 9 is ultimately about God's unconditional election of His saints, Jew AND Gentile alike.
11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,
23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,
24 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?
I’m satisfied with this answer.
You are a disaster… thanks for proving my point.
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