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John MacArthur - Christ, Not Caesar, is head of the church

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dad2

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rockytopva said:
Grace Community Church, led by Pastor John MacArthur, announced this week that it will not submit to California Governor Gavin Newsom’s order to halt indoor church services, declaring that “Christ, Not Caesar, is head of the church.”

John MacArthur's CA Church Announces It Will Not Submit To Gov. Newsom's Ban On Indoor Church Services ⋆ Activist Mommy
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Big news. Bravo. It's about time. Reading their statement they certainly make it clear what the bible says about it.
 
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What about the"give unto Caesar" mandate?

Some churches hold internet services and zoom small groups, and outdoor events with masks and distancing.
 
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dad2

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Van said:
What about the"give unto Caesar" mandate?

Some churches hold internet services and zoom small groups, and outdoor events with masks and distancing.
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Maybe churches can give back to Cesar all the tax breaks they have gotten and feel free to start obeying God? I wonder if people used to accuse the disciples and Jesus of not social distancing with the lepers and etc? By all normal expectations they would risk catching these diseases. The advice of the med folks of the day was no doubt to stay away from the lepers. Heck the leaders of Israel even wanted Jesus to stay away from the tax collectors and women of the streets etc. But is is not business as usual when God is in the house!

There were times that Jesus did practice distancing and healed them from afar also. But who is to say He had to do that all the time?
 
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dad2 said:
Maybe churches can give back to Cesar all the tax breaks they have gotten and feel free to start obeying God? I wonder if people used to accuse the disciples and Jesus of not social distancing with the lepers and etc? By all normal expectations they would risk catching these diseases. The advice of the med folks of the day was no doubt to stay away from the lepers. Heck the leaders of Israel even wanted Jesus to stay away from the tax collectors and women of the streets etc. But is is not business as usual when God is in the house!

There were times that Jesus did practice distancing and healed them from afar also. But who is to say He had to do that all the time?
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Are you saying that churches should pay taxes? Just asking in order to understand-- not to cause friction, OK?
 
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church mouse guy said:
Are you saying that churches should pay taxes? Just asking in order to understand-- not to cause friction, OK?
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I personally think all non profits should pay taxes. Too many fat cat CEOs and employees raking in mega bucks. As far as that goes, too many pastors raking in the big dough.
 
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Son of pastor John MacArthur charged in $16 million investment scheme
The Securities and Exchange Commission on Feb. 12 charged...Mark MacArthur and Robert Gravette with failing to reveal financial conflicts of interest when recommending certain investments to their clients between 2014 and 2017.
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MacArthur and Gravette encouraged their clients to invest more than $16 million in four private real estate investment funds without notifying them that the fund managers for these investments had paid them more than $1 million in side compensation
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Son-In-Law Paid Millions Of Dollars Through Nonprofits
In the ongoing investigation into The Master’s University following its placement on probation, KHTS has uncovered millions of dollars that have been paid to John MacArthur’s son-in-law, Kory Welch.
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In total, it would appear Welch and his companies have received approximately $7,610,399 from Grace to You and The Master’s University since 2003. This final figure includes the sum total of the payments listed in the 2003 through 2016 tax returns for both organizations, but does not include the most recent fiscal year for both organizations, as they are not available to the public as of the time of publication.
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although Master’s has stated the president’s son-in-law was brought on because of his “experience” and that the bidding for the marketing contract was “competitive,” Welch and his wife seem to have had at least five companies that have been canceled or suspended by the California Franchise Tax Board due to a failure to pay taxes since the early 2000’s.
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dad2

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church mouse guy said:
Are you saying that churches should pay taxes? Just asking in order to understand-- not to cause friction, OK?
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Hey I would prefer that the govt cut all abortions, and much of the military, and either change the education system or give the money all to bible believers and churches and home schoolers! (and divert funds from many other programs too long to list) I would vote that they pay bible teaching/believing churches, forget just a tax break. But when Caesar offers benefits of any kind (like tax breaks) that come with conditions (support baby murder evil lifestyles etc) then I think it may be time to tell Caesar that we are not for sale or rent. It is all very well and good if a descent government wants to help a church do charity and etc, but not when they want to take over how it works, or what churches decide is worthy to spend God's money on etc.
 
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