John MacArthur, please remove the plank from your eye

[Humble Disciple]

What's not to like? (besides the $$$ thing)

For one thing, unlike John Piper, John MacArthur almost never seems joyful when teaching. Joy is one of the fruits of the Spirit. Galatians 5:22-23

What did he say about women teaching, that you disagree with?

John MacArthur Told Beth Moore to ‘Go Home’ for Having the Audacity to Preach the Gospel and Help People | RELEVANT

My church has women giving sermons on the pulpit, but all the pastors are men. I could give Biblical reasons why women should be allowed to teach.

 

[SGO]

My Calvin is Hobbeled

 

[Humble Disciple]

Please keep in mind that my intent in this thread is not to say that I am a better person than John MacArthur. He just needs to repent of his hypocrisy and God will forgive him. I would feel sorry for him if he died without repenting.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Just to show that I'm not a Calvinist fanboy, I have never liked John MacArthur. Other than his opinions on female teachers, I agree with most of what MacArthur has to say. But in terms of his lifestyle, does he practice what he preaches?

The Prosperous Lifestyle of America's Anti-Prosperity Gospel Preacher | The Roys Report

Phil Johnson Covers Up John MacArthur’s Extraordinary Compensation & Lifestyle in Devious Statement to The Christian Post & Interview with Justin Peters - BrentDetwiler.com -

The above chart is not counting his other income streams, like from book royalties. Joel Osteen, on the other hand, who I disagree with on pretty much everything, receives no salary from his church:



I'm not coveting John MacArthur's money. I feel sorry for the members of his church for having to pay his extravagant salaries. I don't care how Joel Osteen makes his money, because it's not from the church coffers.

Both Abraham and Job were BILLIONAIRES, in todays money, and BOTH were BLESSED by God! Your threads are RUBBISH!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Please keep in mind that my intent in this thread is not to say that I am a better person than John MacArthur. He just needs to repent of his hypocrisy and God will forgive him. I would feel sorry for him if he died without repenting.

you speak as a FOOL does!

 

[SavedByGrace]

If Phil Johnson and others keep enabling John MacArthur, he's going to end up like Ravi Zacharias, dying in unrepentant sin.

John MacArthur's sin is the sin of hypocrisy, and the facts are out there for anyone with the eyes to see them. I prayed for Dr. MacArthur last night that he repents.

are you out of your mind? what UTTER RUBBISH you post!!!

 

[SavedByGrace]

I think MacArthur is gravely wrong on a host of issues: his Calvinism, his view that the blood of Christ has no intrinsic power, Lordship Salvation, his adoption of the eternal Sonship instead of incarnational Sonship of Christ, etc.
That being said, I do not think he's a hypocrite for exposing prosperity gospel preaching while making 0.2 million a year as a man that labours much and runs a huge ministry. He did not become rich by preaching prosperity. You can be rich in a right way while descrying those who became rich in a wrong way. You should note that nuance. Sorry but you're out of line here.

Now, if there is fraud going on under his supervision, that's a different matter, but I know nothing about it as I am too far removed, so I'll just keep my mouth shut for now.

P.S. for a bunch of reformed amillennial brethren, you should embrace the prosperity gospel since Israel's material blessings/promises apparently belong to you now...you know, the "real" Israel.

What's All the Controversy About John MacArthur and the Blood of Christ?

 

[rlvaughn]

As with many of our discussions, we are often long on opinion and short on scripture. Here are some that might help us judge ourselves by the truth.

• Luke 12:15
• Luke 16:13
• Acts 20:33-35
• 1 Corinthians 4:1-4
• 1 Corinthians 4:12
• 1 Corinthians 9:9-18
• 2 Corinthians 2:17
  
• 2 Corinthians 12:15
• Philippians 4:10-12
  
• 1 Thessalonians 2:9
• 2 Thessalonians 3:8
• 1 Timothy 3:3
• 1 Timothy 5:18
• 1 Timothy 6:9-10
• 1 Timothy 6:17-18
• Titus 1:7
• Hebrews 13:5-7
• James 2:5
• 1 Peter 5:2

 

[SavedByGrace]

As with many of our discussions, we are often long on opinion and short on scripture. Here are some that might help us judge ourselves by the truth.

• Luke 12:15
• Luke 16:13
• Acts 20:33-35
• 1 Corinthians 4:1-4
• 1 Corinthians 4:12
• 1 Corinthians 9:9-18
• 2 Corinthians 2:17
  
• 2 Corinthians 12:15
• Philippians 4:10-12
  
• 1 Thessalonians 2:9
• 2 Thessalonians 3:8
• 1 Timothy 3:3
• 1 Timothy 5:18
• 1 Timothy 6:9-10
• 1 Timothy 6:17-18
• Titus 1:7
• Hebrews 13:5-7
• James 2:5
• 1 Peter 5:2

are these Scriptures directed at the OP or JM?

 

[rlvaughn]

Whomever the shoe fits. As I wrote, "some that might help us judge ourselves by the truth." Ourselves is bigger than the OP and JM.

 

[Iconoclast]

For one thing, unlike John Piper, John MacArthur almost never seems joyful when teaching. Joy is one of the fruits of the Spirit. Galatians 5:22-23



John MacArthur Told Beth Moore to ‘Go Home’ for Having the Audacity to Preach the Gospel and Help People | RELEVANT

My church has women giving sermons on the pulpit, but all the pastors are men. I could give Biblical reasons why women should be allowed to teach.

1tim2:11-15 shows your error.Your posting is quite foolish and indefensible.

 

[Van]

Has John MacArthur's ministry help win some? Probably. Has John MacArthur's ministry helped edify some within the body of Christ such that Christ's ministry was enhanced? Probably. Do I think John MacArthur's Calvinism is false doctrine? You bet.

So rather than attacking the character and qualifications of those holding what is believed to be mistaken and false doctrine, we should accurately present the errant view and provide a unambiguous explanation from scripture as to why the view is bogus.

Attacking strawperson manufactured misrepresentations is of no value, and of course attacking the character and qualifications of those holding bogus views is to use a fallacious argument.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Whomever the shoe fits. As I wrote, "some that might help us judge ourselves by the truth." Ourselves is bigger than the OP and JM.

each to their own

 

[exscentric]

On the other end of the spectrum - most of my life I pastored tiny churches that could barely pay anything. I left it up to the congregation. Most gave a small gift weekly. In one such church in which our own giving almost covered the weekly gift we received: One morning I mentioned in my sermon that pastors in the good ole days often were paid in fruit, veggies, or some other gift. I mentioned that I did not hold that a preacher necessarily needed to be "PAID" - that preaching was his gift and that he did what he thought he was to do, and if he were paid that was a plus. (not here to argue the point

The church treasurer (an older woman) walked up to me and said some thing along the lines of - Well, if that is what you believe then we don't need to pay you any longer and we won't. And they didn't

 

[SavedByGrace]

 

[SavedByGrace]

 

[Iconoclast]

are you out of your mind? what UTTER RUBBISH you post!!!

HD,
SBG and I do not agree on several doctrinal issues at this point and yet he sees very clearly what you offer here is not correct.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Chronicles 9:13-29 - Good News Translation

 

[SavedByGrace]

HD,
SBG and I do not agree on several doctrinal issues at this point and yet he sees very clearly what you offer here is not correct.

HD ought to be ashamed of himself, as he is here trying to destroy the character of this man of God, who has stood up for Bible Truth for many years. It is very sad when we see those who are "Christians", falsely attack others with NO actual evidence, other than what the wicked world uses. The devil is using "believers" to bring down godly men and women who God is using for His Kingdom. True Christianity is much more than "doctrine", we must always uphold truth, especially when it is against this wicked and godless world, even against those to say they follow Jesus Christ. I can remember in the 1980's, when Bob Jones Jr falsely attacked MacArthur on his teaching on the "blood" of Jesus Christ. What HD is doing is just that, FALSE ACCUSATIONS, without knowing all of the facts. the Bible says if we have something against another, that we must approach that person first, and see what they have to say. I doubt very much if HD even bothered to contact JM. It is HD and not JM who needs to repent and aoplogise to JM for slander.

 

[rlvaughn]

each to their own

Ultimately, each to God's own, 1 Corinthians 4:1-2.