John MacArthur, please remove the plank from your eye

[Humble Disciple]

In any case, I would say that there are always people wanting to cast dirt on almost anyone who is somewhat famous. When I see people claim JM makes so much money and that is a bad thing, I wonder what they know about what the guy does with his money.

If he hadn't already pointed the finger at Joel Osteen, no one would be talking about it.

 

[rockytopva]

If he hadn't already pointed the finger at Joel Osteen, no one would be talking about it.

What does Joel Osteen's son do for a living?
He sings, plays the guitar, and he preaches, delivering sermons for young adults at Lakewood on Sunday nights. "We find ourselves in the presence of God every day," he preached. A University of Texas graduate, Jonathan expects that one day he might step into his father's shoes, just as Joel did for his dad.May 13, 2019

I wonder if John MacArthurs sons are into the same thing?

 

[dad2]

If he hadn't already pointed the finger at Joel Osteen, no one would be talking about it.

Since you have no clue how the man spends his money why are you talking about it?

 

[Humble Disciple]

Since you have no clue how the man spends his money why are you talking about it?

While it is true that MacArthur has lived in his home in Santa Clarita, California, since the 1980s, the property is worth 1.5 million, which is more than twice the median value of homes in the area.

The five-bedroom, four-bath house sits on more than two acres and includes a tennis court and a swimming pool. The home also is not John MacArthur’s only residence.

Since 1996, MacArthur has also owned a $700,000 villa about an hour west of Santa Clarita, according to a document The Roys Report obtained from the Ventura County Tax Assessor’s office.

The three-bedroom, 2.5-bathroom home is located next to a world class private club with a championship golf course, tennis courts, pool, and fine dining. The home also is just 11 miles from the beach.

MacArthur’s third and largest home—a seven-bedroom, 7.5-bathroom ranch on five acres in Colorado Springs—was built in 2007, according to El Paso County records.

The property was given to Circle M Ranch—a limited liability limited partnership (LLLP) owned by John and Patricia MacArthur—by David Wismer Sr.

Wismer is a longtime member of TMUS’ Board of Directors and has also served as TMUS Board secretary.

I spoke with Wismer and he told me that in 2007, MacArthur approached him, expressing that he wanted to build a home in Colorado Springs. Wismer said he owns a 2,600-acre ranch in Colorado Springs and was happy to give five acres to MacArthur as a gift.

Wismer said MacArthur then built a home (valued around $800,000) on the Colorado property using his own funds.
The Prosperous Lifestyle of America's Anti-Prosperity Gospel Preacher | The Roys Report

 

[dad2]

Is the only use of these homes the personal pleasure of JM? Did they ever have bible camps or studies or produce bible material, or allow groups to use it, etc? You seem to assume the worst. Not sure why any of it is your business.

 

[Humble Disciple]

Is the only use of these homes the personal pleasure of JM? Did they ever have bible camps or studies or produce bible material, or allow groups to use it, etc? You seem to assume the worst. Not sure why any of it is your business.

Like I said before, John MacArthur made his personal finances our business when he made Joel Osteen's his business. Pot, meet kettle.

 

[dad2]

Like I said before, John MacArthur made his personal finances our business when he made Joel Osteen's his business. Pot, meet kettle.

So what exactly was said about Osteen? Have you a quote that said he stole or was too rich or whatever?

 

[Humble Disciple]

So what exactly was said about Osteen? Have you a quote that said he stole or was too rich or whatever?

John MacArthur, in the above video, accuses Joel Osteen of running a ponzi scheme, despite the fact that Osteen doesn't take a salary from his church, while MacArthur draws extravagant salaries from his ministries. MacArthur even goes as far as to say that Osteen hates God. Pot, meet kettle.

 

[dad2]

John MacArthur, in the above video, accuses Joel Osteen of running a ponzi scheme, despite the fact that Osteen doesn't take a salary from his church, while MacArthur draws extravagant salaries from his ministries. Pot, meet kettle.

In that video I didn't see anything about claiming Joel had great riches. The idea seemed to be that he was rebuking Joel for doing things against the bible. His main charge seemed to be that the organization and prosperity gospel teaching of the Osteen's were not bible based and founded. Such an organization in JM's view would be akin to a fraudulent scheme. If the quotes and things said about the Osteen church were true, then there was cause for rebuke and warning against it.
If a genuine bible teaching preacher received a salary, that is not in the same league as a church that was not teaching the truth of Scripture. Especially when you don't know what gets done with the money in any genuine way, only a superficial way.

 

[Humble Disciple]

In the above video, John MacArthur accuses Joel Osteen of being at the top of a ponzi scheme. Do you know what a ponzi scheme is?

He's accusing Osteen of getting rich off of his church, despite taking no salary, while MacArthur receives extravagant salaries from his own church and other ministries. Which of the two, by MacArthur's own logic, hates God?

If MacArthur doesn't want people calling him a hypocrite, then he needs to stop accusing others of things that he is actually doing. It's a no-brainer.

Calvinists often accuse Arminians of being man-centered in their theology for believing in free will, but it's even more man-centered to act as if John MacArthur is beyond criticism.

 

[dad2]

In the above video, John MacArthur accuses Joel Osteen of being at the top of a ponzi scheme. Do you know what a ponzi scheme is?

He's accusing Osteen of getting rich off of his church, despite taking no salary, while MacArthur receives extravagant salaries from his own church and other ministries. Which of the two, by MacArthur's own logic, hates God?

If MacArthur doesn't want people calling him a hypocrite, then he needs to stop accusing others of things that he is actually doing. It's a no-brainer.

Calvinists often accuse Arminians of being man-centered in their theology for believing in free will, but it's even more man-centered to act as if John MacArthur is beyond criticism.

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• The American preacher is worth approximately $100 million.

The 58-year-old pastor has made a fortune thanks to his book sales and public speaking gigs."

What is Joel Osteen’s net worth? Twitter reacts to preacher driving a Ferrari

"Net Worth in 2021: $14 million"
John F. MacArthur Net Worth 2021, Age, Height, Weight, Wife, Kids, Biography, Wiki | The Wealth Record

I think what JM accused Joel of doing was not being biblical. Apparently there is a lot more money in that!

 

[Humble Disciple]

Let's wait and see what the SEC uncovers of the MacArthur family in their ongoing investigation.

 

[dad2]

Let's wait and see what the SEC uncovers of the MacArthur family in their ongoing investigation.

We don't need to wait to check out if what people say is Scriptural. If it is, then slander and suspicions made against them based on hunches and grudges and bluster should be rejected unless first proven.

 

[rockytopva]

For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. - Isaiah 66:2

 

[Van]

Stop the insane false accusations. If you claim that unregenerate, unsaved wicked man can please God and make all the right decisions etc then give the proof.

Yet another poster ignoring the evidence, and hurling insults. Go figure

 

[Van]

So once again you seek to add to scripture and pervert the text.
Nothing new.Nothing to see hear.

Yet another poster posting "taint so" without any alternate view being presented. Pretty dodgy...

 

[Van]

Let's take a look at one of Dr. John MacArthur's doctrines claimed to be based on scripture:

We teach that in Adam’s sin of disobedience to the revealed will and Word of God, man lost his innocence, incurred the penalty of spiritual and physical death, became subject to the wrath of God, and became inherently corrupt and utterly incapable of choosing or doing that which is acceptable to God apart from divine grace. With no recuperative powers to enable him to recover himself, man is hopelessly lost. Man’s salvation is thereby wholly of God’s grace through the redemptive work of our Lord Jesus Christ (Genesis 2:16-17; 3:1-19; John 3:36; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:1-3; 1 Timothy 2:13-14; 1 John 1:8).
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Does the statement highlighted in "Red" say "apart from divine IRRESISTIBLE GRACE?" Nope. But is that the hidden message? You bet. Thus the carefully crafted statement can be taken as absolutely true, God's grace being His "General and Special Revelation."

Do any of the cited verses actually say anything about "Irresistible Grace?" Nope Recall the words of scripture, false teachers secretly introduce destructive heresies.

 

[Van]

Let's take a look at another of Dr. John MacArthur's doctrines claimed to be based on scripture:

Election. We teach that election is the act of God by which, before the foundation of the world, He chose in Christ those whom He graciously regenerates, saves, and sanctifies (Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:4-11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 2:10; 1 Peter 1:1-2).​

Here we find the false doctrine individuals were chosen by God before the foundation of the world. This is based on Ephesians 1:4 which clearly says God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world. The issue of course is whether this election was corporate, in choosing Christ as His Redeemer, God corporately choose all those His Redeemer would redeem, or was an individual election as taught by Calvinism and John MacArthur.

Why the individual election view is precluded by scripture should need little explanation.

1 Peter 2:9-10
But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.
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Since everyone individually chosen by God (our election for salvation) was once "not a people" chosen by God, and once "had not received mercy" we were chosen individually after we lived as "children of wrath." Ephesians 2:3.

 

[Van]

Here are six verses I often cite to demonstrate John MacArthur has a log in his eye.

1) Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace you have been saved by means of Christ's faithfulness, thus the gift is not based on you, but on God."

2) 1Corinthians 2:14: "But an unspiritual man does not accept the solid food things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

3) Romans 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD when sinning:

4) Acts of the Apostles 13:48: When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had accepted direction to eternal life believed.

5) James 2:5: Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor to the world, yet rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?

6) 1 John 2:2 and he is the means of salvation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole of humanity.

There are several more I frequently cite, Matthew 19:23, Matthew 23:13, Romans 9:16, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 1 Timothy 2:4, 1 Timothy 2:6, 1 Peter 2:9-10, 2 Peter 2:1, Revelation 13:8 and 1 Corinthians 3:1.

Basically JM's view ignores verse after verse, passage after passage because he is probably blinded by the power of presupposition.

 

[dad2]

Yet another poster ignoring the evidence, and hurling insults. Go figure

Asking someone that is badmouthing a Christian preacher to offer one that is not a 'false teacher' as they claim is not hurling insults. Try to cease the false accusing of the saints.