John MacArthur, please remove the plank from your eye

[Van]

If they were entering, then they would be saved. (believe in Jesus) As I said, man is a mess until and unless he does get saved. That would mean incapable of pleasing God etc as JM indicated. What is your problem? (jealousy?)

You can rewrite scripture if you like, JM will provide you with company.

 

[Van]

Lol...as if John M. Wrote all his books and study Bible without using scripture.
You repeat 6 out of context verses over and over,then make believe you study scripture.
We know what you do and post.
No one buys what your selling

Note that Calvinism is defended by people who attack anyone who disagrees. And of course he misrepresents me, saying I suggested JM did not study the bible. Utter falsehood from the Calvinist once again.

 

[Van]

Let's take a look at one of Dr. John MacArthur's doctrines claimed to be based on scripture:

We teach that in Adam’s sin of disobedience to the revealed will and Word of God, man lost his innocence, incurred the penalty of spiritual and physical death, became subject to the wrath of God, and became inherently corrupt and utterly incapable of choosing or doing that which is acceptable to God apart from divine grace. With no recuperative powers to enable him to recover himself, man is hopelessly lost. Man’s salvation is thereby wholly of God’s grace through the redemptive work of our Lord Jesus Christ (Genesis 2:16-17; 3:1-19; John 3:36; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:1-3; 1 Timothy 2:13-14; 1 John 1:8).​

Does the statement highlighted in "Red" say "apart from divine IRRESISTIBLE GRACE?" Nope. But is that the hidden message? You bet. Thus the carefully crafted statement can be taken as absolutely true, God's grace being His "General and Special Revelation."

Do any of the cited verses actually say anything about "Irresistible Grace?" Nope Recall the words of scripture, false teachers secretly introduce destructive heresies.

 

[Van]

Let's take a look at another of Dr. John MacArthur's doctrines claimed to be based on scripture:

Election. We teach that election is the act of God by which, before the foundation of the world, He chose in Christ those whom He graciously regenerates, saves, and sanctifies (Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:4-11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 2:10; 1 Peter 1:1-2).​

Here we find the false doctrine individuals were chosen by God before the foundation of the world. This is based on Ephesians 1:4 which clearly says God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world. The issue of course is whether this election was corporate, in choosing Christ as His Redeemer, God corporately choose all those His Redeemer would redeem, or was an individual election as taught by Calvinism and John MacArthur.

Why the individual election view is precluded by scripture should need little explanation.

1 Peter 2:9-10​

says (NASB95)
But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.​

Since everyone individually chosen by God (our election for salvation) was once "not a people" chosen by God, and once "had not received mercy" we were chosen individually after we lived as "children of wrath." Ephesians 2:3

 

[Iconoclast]

Note that Calvinism is defended by people who attack anyone who disagrees. And of course he misrepresents me, saying I suggested JM did not study the bible. Utter falsehood from the Calvinist once again.

Reading with comprehension might benefit you.
You said I follow JM. Where as you look at scripture. I pointed out that he is all about scripture and you cry as usual.
If a person read his list of Scriptures they would agree. In fact we all agree with him,not you.

 

[Reformed]

Please keep in mind that my intent in this thread is not to say that I am a better person than John MacArthur.

You could have fooled me, Judge Parker.

 

[Van]

Lol...as if John M. Wrote all his books and study Bible without using scripture.
You repeat 6 out of context verses over and over,then make believe you study scripture.
We know what you do and post.
No one buys what your selling

Improvement in the clarity of translation will be rejected by those whose views are based on reading into ambiguity.

1) Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace you have been saved by means of Christ's faithfulness, thus the gift is not based on you, but on God."

2) 1Corinthians 2:14: "But an unspiritual man does not accept the solid food things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

3) Romans 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD when sinning:

4) Acts of the Apostles 13:48: When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had accepted direction to eternal life believed.

5) James 2:5: Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor to the world, yet rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?

6) 1 John 2:2 and he is the means of salvation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole of humanity.

 

[Van]

Reading with comprehension might benefit you.
You said I follow JM. Where as you look at scripture. I pointed out that he is all about scripture and you cry as usual.
If a person read his list of Scriptures they would agree. In fact we all agree with him,not you.

That is rich, a Calvinist questioning my reading comprehension. LOL

 

[dad2]

You can rewrite scripture if you like, JM will provide you with company.

Stop the insane false accusations. If you claim that unregenerate, unsaved wicked man can please God and make all the right decisions etc then give the proof.

 

[Iconoclast]

Improvement in the clarity of translation will be rejected by those whose views are based on reading into ambiguity.

1) Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace you have been saved by means of Christ's faithfulness, thus the gift is not based on you, but on God."

2) 1Corinthians 2:14: "But an unspiritual man does not accept the solid food things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

3) Romans 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD when sinning:

4) Acts of the Apostles 13:48: When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had accepted direction to eternal life believed.

5) James 2:5: Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor to the world, yet rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?

6) 1 John 2:2 and he is the means of salvation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole of humanity.

So once again you seek to add to scripture and pervert the text.
Nothing new.Nothing to see hear.

 

[Humble Disciple]

You could have fooled me, Judge Parker.

Those in positions of authority will be judged according to a higher standard. (Luke 12:48, 1 Timothy 3:2)

I have not said anything negative about John MacArthur on my personal blog because I don't want to give the wrong impression to non-Christians, that there's no reason to follow God because all Christians are just hypocrites anyway.

Those within the church, however, have a responsibility to call out church leaders for their hypocrisy. John MacArthur has gotten rich off of the church, whiling pointing the finger at others like Joel Osteen. If he hadn't already pointed the finger at others, there wouldn't be guilt of hypocrisy.

 

[dad2]

Those in positions of authority will be judged according to a higher standard. (Luke 12:48, 1 Timothy 3:2)

I have not said anything negative about John MacArthur on my personal blog because I don't want to give the wrong impression to non-Christians, that there's no reason to follow God because all Christians are just hypocrites anyway.

Those within the church, however, have a responsibility to call out church leaders for their hypocrisy. John MacArthur has gotten rich off of the church, whiling pointing the finger at others like Joel Osteen. If he hadn't already pointed the finger at others, there wouldn't be guilt of hypocrisy.

Hmm, so the big thing is that JM made a few hundred grand a year and that seems like evil and hypocritical to you? Some people would consider that chump change. Have we seen him oppress the poor or something? I suspect the church feeds and helps a lot of poor as well as supports missions and etc. Do you claim JM hordes money or something? Have you some knowledge that it is not mostly going back into God's work somehow? Should the only people making over $200,000 a year be the wicked? Did you contact the guy you are accusing here and ask about any of this? Remember money is not the root of all evil. Many folks in the bible had plenty!

 

[rockytopva]

John MacArthur… I wonder who takes his ministry after he steps down? He has a son who has been in trouble with the SEC…

SEC charges John MacArthur’s son with defrauding investment firm clients
Son of pastor John MacArthur charged in $16 million investment scheme

 

[Humble Disciple]

Hmm, so the big thing is that JM made a few hundred grand a year and that seems like evil and hypocritical to you?

John MacArthur has multiple streams of income, not including book sales, which have made him a multimillionaire.

John Piper, on the other hand, only lives on a salary of $120,000 a year, while donating his book sales to his church. Which one do you think is living closer to how the apostles lived?

If John MacArthur wasn't already pointing the finger at Joel Osteen, there wouldn't be hypocrisy in him.

 

[SGO]

Please note the word mystery…

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. - Revelation 3:20

Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4

Mystery - Strongs - μυστήριον mystḗrion, moos-tay'-ree-on;

1. hidden thing, secret, mystery
   1. generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the initiated and not to ordinary mortals
   2. a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding
   3. a hidden purpose or counsel - secret will
      1. of men
      2. of God: the secret counsels which govern God in dealing with the righteous, which are hidden from ungodly and wicked men but plain to the godly

This is my interpretation of the mystery of the seven churches. Also to note that this revelation was written to shew us what will come to pass…

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass - Revelation 1:1

So the churches, therefore, were to come to pass in history, and Christ wanted to address the issues that would come upon the church.

That is many steps away from an actual bible verse that SAYS the seven churches represent seven ages.

Prove your doctrine by real bible verses.


It's all secrets and mysteries then, especially how any one of us got saved.

Unto whom it was revealed,
and that not unto themselves,
but unto us did they minister the things,
which are now reported unto you
by them that have preached the gospel unto you
with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven;
which things the angels desire to look into.
1Peter 1:12

This is the mystery:

Whereby, when ye read,
ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ
Which in other ages was not made known
unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs,
and of the same body,
and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Ephesians 3:4-6

 

[rockytopva]

That is many steps away from an actual bible verse that SAYS the seven churches represent seven ages.

Prove your doctrine by real bible verses.


It's all secrets and mysteries then, especially how any one of us got saved.

Unto whom it was revealed,
and that not unto themselves,
but unto us did they minister the things,
which are now reported unto you
by them that have preached the gospel unto you
with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven;
which things the angels desire to look into.
1Peter 1:12

This is the mystery:

Whereby, when ye read,
ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ
Which in other ages was not made known
unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs,
and of the same body,
and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Ephesians 3:4-6

So… If I am all wrong… What is your take on the following…

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. - Revelation 1:20

Candlesticks - Seven churches
Stars - Seven angels
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4

 

[SGO]

I do not have a take but a take out:

There is not one bible verse that says those seven churches represent seven historical periods.

 

[dad2]

John MacArthur has multiple streams of income, not including book sales, which have made him a multimillionaire.

John Piper, on the other hand, only lives on a salary of $120,000 a year, while donating his book sales to his church. Which one do you think is living closer to how the apostles lived?

If John MacArthur wasn't already pointing the finger at Joel Osteen, there wouldn't be hypocrisy in him.

Have you info as to where JM's money goes? I doubt it.

As for the preacher you held up as an apostle, I read this in a quick search. (if they have it wrong well, do tell)

"In 1992 Piper wrote the foreword to Fuller's book The Unity of the Bible in which Fuller openly denies the verbal plenary inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture"

John Piper's Damnable Heresies

 

[Humble Disciple]

"In 1992 Piper wrote the foreword to Fuller's book The Unity of the Bible in which Fuller openly denies the verbal plenary inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture"

I would have to see the direct quote in which the inerrancy of scripture is denied. There's also a difference between infallibility and inerrancy.

 

[dad2]

I would have to see the direct quote in which the inerrancy of scripture is denied. There's also a difference between infallibility and inerrancy.

In any case, I would say that there are always people wanting to cast dirt on almost anyone who is somewhat famous. When I see people claim JM makes so much money and that is a bad thing, I wonder what they know about what the guy does with his money.