John MacArthur - We are Not Saved by The Blood Of Jesus Christ!

[SavedByGrace]

Bro SBG,

Matt 26:28 says the blood is the blood of the new covenant. Heb 9:16 says that in order for the new covenant to be in effect that there had to be the death of Christ the testator. If Christ had cut his finger, that would NOT have secured the new covenant. There was a PARTICULAR way/circumstance in which the blood had to be applied. The blood sacrifice accomplishes that according to the will of HIM who makes the blood holy. AustinC has already pointed out the particular way in which the blood of the lamb of the passover had to be applied. Because your willingly cast his blood out into the world, rather in the prescribed manner for his people you defile the sacrifice.

I have not seen anyone denying the holiness of the blood of Christ. What is being denied is how you say MacArthur applies the blood.

Show how MacArthurs words in #38 reflect what the Bible actually teaches?

 

[AustinC]

Leviticus 17:11, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul"

can you understand what this means?

Yes, I can...and it isn't magic...like you are asserting.

When a sacrifice was made, the throat was slit and the blood ran out. The sacrifice died as a substitutionary, in atonement for the death the one who still lived should have given.
There was no magic in the blood that somehow made the guilty person to be no longer guilty.

But, you, whether you can grasp it or not, are making the blood into a magical elixir.

 

[unprofitable]

I listened to the video, and knowing the context, I do not hear what you say he is saying.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I listened to the video, and knowing the context, I do not hear what you say he is saying.

Listen from 55 seconds and you will hear JM clearly saying that Jesus didn't have to bleed to save us but His bleeding was only to fulfill Old Testament prophecy.

This is UNBIBLICAL

 

[SavedByGrace]

Look at the Old testament sacrifices. They shed blood and died. Jesus had to die. The death is the atonement.
You have yet to tell me, if what you believe is actually true, why Jesus didn't prick His finger and avoid death.

Do you read your Bible???

Without the SHEDDING OF BLOOD there is no forgiveness of sins! Hebrews 9. 22

Explain exactly what this means

 

[Reynolds]

Do you read your Bible???

Without the SHEDDING OF BLOOD there is no forgiveness of sins! Hebrews 9. 22

Explain exactly what this means

It means without death. Did they cut the sacrifice a little or kill it?

 

[Reynolds]

Leviticus 17:11, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul"

can you understand what this means?

"The life" there you have it.
Again, can you tell me how much Blood is needed?

I am sure you will avoid the question. You can't answer it.
I will ask again, Why did Jesus die? Why didn't He just bleed a little. I am sure you won't answer that either.

 

[Reformed1689]

You are taking complete RUBBISH

Answer the question. The only rubbish in this thread is your posts.

 

[Reformed1689]

Do you read your Bible???

Without the SHEDDING OF BLOOD there is no forgiveness of sins! Hebrews 9. 22

Explain exactly what this means

Do you know what it means to shed blood, or for someone to have blood on their hands? It means death. Maybe it is you that does not understand languages?

 

[Reynolds]

Deut 19:10 KJV
Is it speaking of cutting someone and them bleeding a little or is it speaking of killing someone?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Do you know what it means to shed blood, or for someone to have blood on their hands? It means death. Maybe it is you that does not understand languages?

Dude you ignorance of what the Bible actually teaches is very clear. Jesus Christ could have died without shedding a drop of blood. But this CANNOT have Atoned for any sins. Can you grasp this Great Truth?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Deut 19:10 KJV
Is it speaking of cutting someone and them bleeding a little or is it speaking of killing someone?

Are you denying that the Bible teaches that Jesus had to shed His blood to make Atonement? This is an essential Truth

 

[SavedByGrace]

"The life" there you have it.
Again, can you tell me how much Blood is needed?

I am sure you will avoid the question. You can't answer it.
I will ask again, Why did Jesus die? Why didn't He just bleed a little. I am sure you won't answer that either.

Because the Bible demands that Jesus had to shed His blood and not simply die. You seem to have problems understanding this simple Truth. I will pray for you

 

[Reynolds]

Are you denying that the Bible teaches that Jesus had to shed His blood to make Atonement? This is an essential Truth

Answer the question I asked. In debate, both parties answer questions. Until you answer some , I won't answer any for you.

 

[Reynolds]

Because the Bible demands that Jesus had to shed His blood and not simply die. You seem to have problems understanding this simple Truth. I will pray for you

Now you are agreeing with what MacArthur said in the video you called heresy.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Now you are agreeing with what MacArthur said in the video you called heresy.

Read #38 and listen to the video from 55 seconds

 

[SavedByGrace]

Honestly, you have some major reading comprehension issues.

Prove from the Bible where I am wrong!

 

[SavedByGrace]

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
1 John 1:7

The word CLEANSES in the Greek is in the present continuance tense. Showing the ever cleaning Power in the actual Blood of Jesus Christ

 

[Reformed1689]

Prove from the Bible where I am wrong!

Every page

 

[Reynolds]

Prove from the Bible where I am wrong!

You already posted the verses that make you wrong.