Josh is now in rehab .....

[Aaron]

I would hope that Scarlett would scratch your eyes out, but that would be unChristian. Besides, Scarlett is too much of a lady, although she might be muttering "Bless your heart."

I doubt it.

Now, I do feel sorry for the family, because I don't think they knew what intense scrutiny they would endure. Sure, it's fun to watch packing for 18 or so people on a road trip, strictly as a logistical exercise. Is it a life I want to emulate? No.

Our prayers should be with all of them -- especially Josh and his wife -- because they will always be defined by failure. Lord help us that we should be defined by our failures. I couldn't stand it; none of us can.

The Duggars were naive and had no idea what would come with their celebrity. I can't fault them for seizing upon an opportunity, but I think they made a bad decision in courting celebrity. They, of course, had no idea how it would turn out. God help us if all our decisions are held up to the light of intense scrutiny.

I don't dispute any of this.

But, that said, there is no reason to expect that their practices should be exempt to criticism.

There's such a thing as hypercriticism. And there are some things, even if we're allowed to see them, that are our not our place to judge.

 

[Use of Time]

I doubt it.

I don't dispute any of this.

There's such a thing as hypercriticism. And there are some things, even if we're allowed to see them, that are our not our place to judge.

Really? Take a look around this board. Why are the Duggars off limits? Why are they special? People have no problem slinging mud at politicians or people involved in some news story that they don't like but the kid gloves come on when it's time to handle the Duggars for some reason. Hilarious.

 

[Aaron]

I didn't say they were off limits. Some of the criticism isn't called for, and a lot of it is just self-righteous bigotry.

Simple as that.

 

[Zaac]

Really? Take a look around this board. Why are the Duggars off limits? Why are they special? People have no problem slinging mud at politicians or people involved in some news story that they don't like but the kid gloves come on when it's time to handle the Duggars for some reason. Hilarious.

My nominee for post of the year.:thumbs:

 

[InTheLight]

Really? Take a look around this board. Why are the Duggars off limits? Why are they special? People have no problem slinging mud at politicians or people involved in some news story that they don't like but the kid gloves come on when it's time to handle the Duggars for some reason. Hilarious.

I'm beginning to sense a pattern here--any Christians that achieve celebrity status are to be lauded and defended against any sort of scrutiny. Thus, when Sarah Palin resigns the governorship of Alaska and gets wealthy giving speeches and having a reality show she is defended. The star of Duck Dynasty can equate h@m@sexuality with bestiality and he is defended. Now we have this Duggan case where their unorthodox child rearing techniques are defended. What is it with celebrity fascination among some Christians? Donald Trump's presidential campaign is attracting Christians.

Oh, and Tim Tebow should be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

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[Aaron]

I'm beginning to sense a pattern here--any Christians that achieve celebrity status are to be lauded and defended against any sort of scrutiny.

Really? Any sort? I don't see that pattern anywhere.

 

[Dr. Bob]

WARNING TO ALL - be very careful with references to "sexual sins". We do NOT need details or crude words. They will be snipped. And no, the Duggars are a "famous" Christian family and there are lessons to be learned. Some will treat them kindly, others judge severely.

But the subject of "rehab" is the real question. And need for our prayers whether we think them good, bad or ugly

 

[Dr. Bob]

BTW, the program Josh is in is NOT real "rehab". It is a sad sham program run by the shadiest of Baptist groups. I would not advocate it or commend it to anyone.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejo...olved-in-sex-abuse-coverup.html#disqus_thread

This is a link by a former IFB gal (now a feminist atheist, turned away from all things spiritual). Important part is what she points out about the whole sham program of RU is 100% accurate.

It is too bad this important information comes from such a vile source as Libby and I pray for God's grace to reach her heart as it did mine. And pray that Josh does find help through God, perhaps in spite of the system in which he is entrenched.

 

[percho]

I attended the Gothard seminars every year during my 6-year college career. Why aren't all the Duggar boys guilty? I never came away hearing that women were the cause of lust in a man's heart, nor any of the other weirded out cultic propaganda I see in blogs critical of Gothard (and many other conservative ministries).

You know the "problem" I see in the seminars? The idea that by following steps, one can secure the blessings of God. They never say that, but that's the biggest destructive notion with which folks can come away, but that notion is only a misconstrual of the teaching.

Stop thinking that kids are clean slates only to be corrupted by bad fathers. Kids are corrupted slates, and even if the father walked on water, Josh would have done his deeds. Are we going to blame the Sermon on the Mount for Judas' betrayal?

And I will say this, it's much more common than we're letting on. Some folks just move on with their lives. It was a kid thing they grew out, not damaged, not bitter, not feeling dirty, not thinking anything about it, "victims" and "perps" alike.

Now the adultery. The big deal? Not the sex. It's the betrayal. Yeah, I feel sorry for her, and for him. One in bondage to a sin is just that. In bondage, wanting to do right, but unable to. But, it won't take a miracle for her to get over it. Time, yes. But even unsaved women without the Spirit can get over a betrayal as such, but it will take a miracle for Josh to be set free.

A big time miracle.

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Now that is a miracle. The question is context. Is the context, proper?

Would that help poor old Josh?

 

[Aaron]

A big time miracle.

?? The most unruly members aren't ones glands. The most devilish and unruly member is one's tongue. It will take a supernatural touch from Christ to be set free from his sexual lust, but no more than anyone needs to be set free from his love of money.

And no hard labor nor Scripture memorization will do it. I'm all for hard labor and Scripture memorization. They're good teachers. But the letter killeth. It's the Spirit that gives life.

 

[Aaron]

Oh, and don't think for one moment that if Josh turned his eyes to Jesus, he isn't blessed and forgiven. Still some music to face on earth, no doubt, but loved of God.

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.


Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.


When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.


For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer.


I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin.


For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.


Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance.


I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.


Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.


Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.


Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart. - Psalm 32:1-11 KJV​

 

[percho]

Oh, and don't think for one moment that if Josh turned his eyes to Jesus, he isn't blessed and forgiven. Still some music to face on earth, no doubt, but loved of God.

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.


Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.


When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.


For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer.


I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin.


For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.


Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance.


I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.


Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.


Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.


Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart. - Psalm 32:1-11 KJV​

Amen.....Amen