Judging Others

[Crabtownboy]

“Judging others makes us blind, whereas love is illuminating. By judging others we blind ourselves to our own evil and to the grace which others are just as entitled to as we are.”

― Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

 

[JonC]

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” - Paul, 1 Corinthians

It does seem too often that Christians miss the purpose of judging others. Too often it is done with without love.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

So when you told me I wanted my wife to die, that was love ? When you tell us we hate the poor, that's love ?

These are things you did. Seems you have a problem following these Jack-Handy posts.

 

[Crabtownboy]

So when you told me I wanted my wife to die, that was love ? When you tell us we hate the poor, that's love ?

These are things you did. Seems you have a problem following these Jack-Handy posts.

You do not remember correctly. You said that you would not approve an abortion even if the woman's life was in extreme danger. I said I was sure you wife would welcome that news. This was not a judgement of you. It was a comment on your stance and how it would be received by your spouse. You went ballistic and have misrepresented my words since.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

So it's really OK to judge. Is that what you are saying ?

 

[Crabtownboy]

So it's really OK to judge. Is that what you are saying ?

“Judging others makes us blind, whereas love is illuminating. By judging others we blind ourselves to our own evil and to the grace which others are just as entitled to as we are.”

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Nope. You assigned a reaction, based on a pre-supposed prejudice, after imagining a scenario that would never happen. You telling others not to judge is a joke. You are one of the harshest judges of those who disagree with you that are on this board. You seem to be admitting your judgement is OK, but others are evil. That's just plain hypocritical.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Where in Scripture does God say it is OK to kill the innocent?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Where in Scripture does God say it is OK to kill the innocent?

Where in scripture does it say it is OK to not save the mother knowing the baby will die regardless?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

See ? You are judging, again. LOL. You're like the preacher who rants against gambling, while he has emptied his bank account at the poker machines. You want to be the judge, and you cannot accept those who differ from you in opinion.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

So now that that has been refuted, what do you have to say in your defense about you saying we hate the poor ? That also sounds like a judgement, to me. Is it OK, as long as it's you doing it ?

 

[Herald]

John 7:24 tells us to judge righteously. We are not to judge sinfully. Confronting a brother over sin (Matthew 18 ) , with a right heart attitude, is righteous judgment. Confronting a brother with a self-righteous or hateful attitude is sin. If we practiced more righteous judgment we would be a minister of God's mercy.

 

[Thousand Hills]

“People tell me judge not lest ye be judged. I always tell them, twist not scripture lest ye be like satan.” - Paul Washer

 

[Crabtownboy]

So now that that has been refuted, what do you have to say in your defense about you saying we hate the poor ? That also sounds like a judgement, to me. Is it OK, as lon

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g as it's you doing it ?

If an individual is pro:

1.Cutting food stamps to the poor
2.Cutting funds to Meals on Wheels
3.Not providing healthcare to the poor
4.Not being in favor of paying a livable wage
5.Do not believe the poor should have affordable housing

Then what conclusion should a person draw? I am not sure where you stand on these issues.

How are the sheep and goats judged in the final judgement in Matthew?

 

[Herald]

If an individual is pro:

1.Cutting food stamps to the poor
2.Cutting funds to Meals on Wheels
3.Not providing healthcare to the poor
4.Not being in favor of paying a livable wage
5.Do not believe the poor should have affordable housing

Then what conclusion should a person draw? I am not sure where you stand on these issues.

How are the sheep and goats judged in the final judgement in Matthew?

All these things you listed are not a display of Christian charity. It is not the mission of the Church to meet the physical needs of every poor person. The primary purpose of the Church is to proclaim the gospel of the kingdom with the aim of creating disciples (Matthew 28:19-20).

As far as acts of charity, while the Church is do good to all men it is to start first with its own:

Galatians 6:10 So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.

When the Church first loves its own (because Christ commanded it) it creates a powerful testimony in the world.

Matthew 5:16 "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven."

While meeting the needs of the saints the Church should also be engaged in the community to meet needs to the degree possible. The purpose behind meeting these needs is to display the love of Christ through the Gospel.

The five things you listed are not God-given rights. The Bible does not mandate health insurance, food stamps, affordable housing, a fictitious living wage, or meals on wheels. Governments create those programs without any deference to the kingdom of God. If the government taxes us we have an obligation to pay our taxes according to the Bible. But greater than social welfare is the message of forgiveness of sins through repentance from sin and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the greatest social work the Church can do - to be the herald of that message.

 

[Alcott]

I can draw the conclusion that anyone who wants the government to provide these things that people should provide for themselves and their families has their mind on what other people must do to help the poor, not on what they personally can do-- the latter of which is the essence of 'sheep and goat' judgment.

Now, since you began this thread about not judging, Yes or No: are you judging people for not helping 'the poor?'

 

[Tom Bryant]

I can draw the conclusion that anyone who wants the government to provide these things that people should provide for themselves and their families has their mind on what other people must do to help the poor, not on what they personally can do-- the latter of which is the essence of 'sheep and goat' judgment.

Now, since you began this thread about not judging, Yes or No: are you judging people for not helping 'the poor?'

Of course, he's not judging anyone. Don't you know that leftists don't judge, they simply come down from their ivory palaces and let us know how we should live, what we should believe and how we ought to let the gov't run our lives.

Think about it. Our concern for the poor is judged only by how well we support their agenda not by what we actually do for the poor. If you support their programs, you don't actually have to do anything for anyone.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I can draw the conclusion that anyone who wants the government to provide these things that people should provide for themselves and their families has their mind on what other people must do to help the poor, not on what they personally can do-- the latter of which is the essence of 'sheep and goat' judgment.

Now, since you began this thread about not judging, Yes or No: are you judging people for not helping 'the poor?'

Are all who are in poor, elderly and infirmed responsible for their own hardships and needs?

What does Jesus say about the poor?

What does Jesus say about the rich?

What is described in the final judgement as described in Matthew?

If I side with Jesus and scripture in my attitude toward the poor, is that bad?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Are you siding with Jesus when you say others don't give enough ? Has he given you special insight to what we give ? How can you tell us not to judge, then throw Christ's name around to justify your own judgement ?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Because you're a hypocrite ?