Justified from all things

[Brightfame52]

You stated that wrong BF. I do not accept the calvinist views and explanations as they do not agree with the biblical text.

You are attempting to promote calvinism rather than the bible.

But as you will not not make thoughtful biblically supported responses. I will leave you to your philosophy.

You have been opposing the effectual death of Christ for a long time friend

 

[Silverhair]

You have been opposing the effectual death of Christ for a long time friend

You have been denying the truth of scripture that Christ's death saved no one. We are saved by faith in the risen Christ.
While Christ's death was sufficient for all men, 1Timothy 4:10
it is effective only for those that respond in faith, Ephesians 1:13
yet men are treated as responsible, 2Thessalonians 2:12,
being capable of the will and power to choose. Romans 10:9.

For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 1Corinthians 15:16-17

BF I oppose your "effectual" death because it is not biblical.

 

[Brightfame52]

Again Christ's resurrection is a validation that Christ's death, putting away our offences, if were elect, that His death justified us. Here's why, when He died He purged us from our sins ! Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:


His sitting down on the right hand is what He after purging our sins. Now the word purge here is the greek word katharismos and means:

cleansing, purifying, purification, literal, ceremonial, or moral; met: expiation.

a cleansing from the guilt of sins by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ. And because that's so they are Justified. In fact the word for Justification paralells this, its the word dikaiōsis:

), the act of God's declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him

And that's what Christ's purging us from our sins accomplished . Justification before God ! The resurrection validates it !

Scriptures that indicate Justification in the Name of the Lord, which is Justification based upon the Merits, Person, and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ. All of who He is in His Glorious Person and what He finished and accomplished for His People resulted in their Justification before God. Another scripture that reveals this is Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for or because of our offences, and was raised again for or because of our justification.

Christ resurrection is proof/evidence that those for whom sins He was delivered for, are Justified for it. This is based Solely upon His Person and Work, so its justification in His Name!

 

[Silverhair]

Again Christ's resurrection is a validation that Christ's death, putting away our offences, if were elect, that His death justified us. Here's why, when He died He purged us from our sins ! Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:


His sitting down on the right hand is what He after purging our sins. Now the word purge here is the greek word katharismos and means:

cleansing, purifying, purification, literal, ceremonial, or moral; met: expiation.

a cleansing from the guilt of sins by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ. And because that's so they are Justified. In fact the word for Justification paralells this, its the word dikaiōsis:

), the act of God's declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him

And that's what Christ's purging us from our sins accomplished . Justification before God ! The resurrection validates it !

BF you make the same error each time you approach this topic. You fail to realize that one is only elect when they are in Christ and that only happens when they are in Him which only happens when we have trusted in the risen Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you make the same error each time you approach this topic. You fail to realize that one is only elect when they are in Christ and that only happens when they are in Him which only happens when we have trusted in the risen Christ.

Again Christ's resurrection is a validation that Christ's death, putting away our offences, if were elect, that His death justified us. Here's why, when He died He purged us from our sins ! Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:


His sitting down on the right hand is what He after purging our sins. Now the word purge here is the greek word katharismos and means:

cleansing, purifying, purification, literal, ceremonial, or moral; met: expiation.

a cleansing from the guilt of sins by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ. And because that's so they are Justified. In fact the word for Justification parallels this, its the word dikaiōsis:

), the act of God's declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him

And that's what Christ's purging us from our sins accomplished . Justification before God ! The resurrection validates it !

 

[Brightfame52]

A Justified Acquitted World !

John 1:29

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

This is also the World John writes of in his Epistle when writing of the propitiation of Christ taking away our Sins 1 Jn 2:2

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

1 Jn 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.


Now being the propitiation for our sins, and taking them away are one and the same. His Death was that satisfaction to Gods Law and Justice to take away our sins, and that could not be the case if were not absolved of, acquitted from, justified from them all before God. Doesn't the resurrection of Christ testify the same Rom 4:25

Who [The Lamb of God] was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

So that World in Jn 1:29 is a Justified world with no sin charged to it 2 Cor 5:19 because they've been taken away, so it cant apply to all without exception ! Some will yet die in their sins Jn 8:21,24

 

[Brightfame52]

A Justified Acquitted World ! 2

The word Justification is Rom 4:25, He was raised again for our Justification, its the greek word dikaiosis and means:

acquittal, a process of absolution.

This results of all sins being taken away Jn 1:29 and Christ's resurrection is an testification of that fact.

 

[Brightfame52]

The World of 2 Cor 5:19 is the same World John writes of Jn 1:29. Now the citizens of the World of 2 Cor 5:19, God does not charge them with any of their sins ! Therefore its an acquitted / Justified World !

 

[Brightfame52]

If Christ was delivered for our offences, then rest assured He was raised for our Justification Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Thats because His death for us did put away our sins, and effected a full Justification for us ! If this be not the case His death was in vain, having not secured upon us our Justification before God. Paul writes to the Corinthians, if Christ be not risen, after having died for our sins, then we must be still in our sins 1 Cor 15:17

17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins

And so Christ being risen certifies we are not in our sins, and Faith gives conscious assurance of that !

 

[Brightfame52]

The Blessing of forgiveness of sins !

Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Those forgiven of their sins by the work of Christ, shall never come into condemnation, for God will never impute sin to their charge, so we read David of this Blessedness Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Forgiveness and non imputation go hand in hand Paul quotes David Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


The Blessing of forgiveness is to never have God lay sin to your charge, not ever !

 

[Brightfame52]

The world chosen in Christ was justified/acquitted before the foundation:

God the Father set up Christ as the Head of his people from eternity 2 Tim 1:9. Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8. In Christ, God has always accepted his elect Eh 1:6. The one reason God did not destroy the world when we all fell in Adam is because God had a people who were eternally justified in Christ Eph 1:4;Rom 8:1 our Surety by God’s sovereign grace and purpose.2

 

[Brightfame52]

“The Lamb Slain From The Foundation Of The World”

Revelation 13:8

Don Fortner

Though he did not come until after the world had existed for four thousand years, Christ is described as “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” because he offered himself to God as a sin-atoning sacrifice for his people from the beginning.

In the prophetic scriptures of the Old Testament Christ was presented as one already sacrificed for us. Other prophetic scriptures speak of things to be done in the future. When the prophets spoke of our Savior's incarnation, his exaltation and his second coming, these things were looked upon and spoken of as events to be accomplished in the future. But when the prophets spoke of the sacrificial death of Christ and the atonement of sin by his blood, it was looked upon and spoken of as a thing already accomplished (Psa. 22; 40:6-13; 69:4-10; 20-21; 85:10; Isa. 43:25; 44:22; 53:1-12). Redemption by Christ was not an after thought of God, something he did because the Jews would not “let” Jesus be their king. Far from it! In the mind and purpose of God our redemption by Christ was accomplished in eternity.

All the Old Testament types bear testimony to Christ as the Lamb that had been slain. Beginning with the sacrifice of Abel, God’s saints of old offered the blood of lambs upon the altar by faith. And that faith was based upon the Divine revelation that the only way of acceptance with God is by the blood of “the Lamb slain”. Every type was drawn from the picture given by God’s direct revelation and foreshadowed the coming of the Lamb to be slain.

When Christ is described as “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” it is to show us that, from all eternity God regarded Christ as the Lamb who had been slain for his elect. There has always been only one way of salvation: The blood of the Lamb! In the Old Testament God forgave sin and imputed righteousness to believers exactly as he does in the New, upon the basis of Christ’s sacrifice as “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Rom. 3:24-26). God’s eye of justice always has been and always shall be upon “the Lamb slain”!

 

[Brightfame52]

Men are not believers before they are Justified before God, else how can they be said to believe on Him that Justifieth the ungodly ?
Rom 4:4-5

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

God given Faith believes on Him that Justifies the ungodly, one is not ungodly when a believer,but when a enemie/unbeliever.

In the original ungodly has the definite article stressing that they are in a condition of ungodliness when God is justifying them

τῷ δὲ μὴ ἐργαζομένῳ πιστεύοντι δὲ ἐπὶ τὸν δικαιοῦντα τὸν ἀσεβῆ λογίζεται ἡ πίστις αὐτοῦ εἰς δικαιοσύνην·

And that's what they will be caused to believe with God given Faith

John Gill writes:

but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly: or that ungodly one: particular reference is had to Abraham, who in his state of unregeneracy was an ungodly person; as all God's elect are in a state of nature, and are such when God justifies them, being without a righteousness of their own; wherefore he imputes the righteousness of another, even that of his own Son, unto them: and though he justifies the ungodly, he does not justify their ungodliness, but them from it; nor will he, nor does he leave them to live and die in it; now to him that worketh not, that is perfect righteousness; or has no opportunity of working at all; or what he does, he does not do, that he might be justified by it; but exercises faith on God as justifying persons, who, like himself, are sinners, ungodly and destitute of a righteousness:

So one believes because they have already been justifed by the blood of Christ Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Thats what Faith comes to believe !

 

[Brightfame52]

The scripture witnesseth, that the subject of Justification is a sinner, or ungodly person. {Rom.4:5, 5:6,8,10} Now the Holy Ghost never calls believers ungodly or wicked, but calls them saints, faithful, holy brethren, children of God, members of Christ!

Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 5:6,8,10

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly[and Justified them].

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners[ungodly], Christ died for us.

10 For if, when we were enemies[ungodly], we were reconciled/justified] to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 4:5 and Rom 5:10 harmonize one another.