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Kanye just dropped the 'Republicans freed the slaves' bomb...
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The real question ia why did it take 150 years to renounce slavery. American Baptists renounced it in 1845 when they split off from Southern Baptists.
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I was responding to the one-sided impression you gave when you attempted to discredit the 2017 SBC resolution against white supremacy/alt-right. You quoted somebody who was bemoaning the fact it took 24 hours to decide on that resolution. Meanwhile a resolution in favor of racial reconciliation had been passed two years prior.
He sure can forgive the Democratic Party for THEIR support for slavery. Lost cause.
Fact-checking the Donald Trump, Kanye bromance
Even biased "fact check" admits this, here's one of the funnier parts of this particular fact check:
The unemployment rates for African-Americans and Hispanics have hit all-time lows in recent months on Trump’s watch, and the rate for women was recently the lowest it’s been in more than 18 years. But it’s worth remembering that,to the extent that presidents deserve any credit for economic conditions on their watch, the heavy lifting in getting rates that low occurred before Trump became president.
So Obama did all the HEAVY LIFTING and mean dumb Trump just took the advantage of it?
Fact-checking the Donald Trump, Kanye bromance
Even biased "fact check" admits this, here's one of the funnier parts of this particular fact check:
The unemployment rates for African-Americans and Hispanics have hit all-time lows in recent months on Trump’s watch, and the rate for women was recently the lowest it’s been in more than 18 years. But it’s worth remembering that,to the extent that presidents deserve any credit for economic conditions on their watch, the heavy lifting in getting rates that low occurred before Trump became president.
So Obama did all the HEAVY LIFTING and mean dumb Trump just took the advantage of it?
Right, I agree.
I'm just trying to figure out that great thing that President Trump did to make the streets of Chicago safer. If he has been effective in doing that, I want to give him credit -- just like I am giving him credit for the release of prisoners in North Korea now.
You asserted something and I'm genuinely interested in knowing what was done. I would think you would be able to tell me since you cited the example. I guess not.
The best, long term, fix will take quite a lot of time. Challenging Chicago's and Illinois's unconstitutional gun control laws and allowing law abiding citizens to carry firearms for self defense without ridiculously complex and burdensome requirements. Until the gangs, muggers, and other criminals come to a deep, visceral, understanding that if they start shooting they will be shot, and that they are outnumbered about 1000 to 1. Until then the crime will continue.
What I said is the Democratic party and the Republican party have switched positions since Nixen whose southern strategy attracted white southerns to the Republican party. I certainly would have been a Republican in the day of Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt. In fact I've voted for 2 Republicans for president.
Outstanding reply. It was in June of last year when Trump threatened to send in the Feds. Not sure if he meant the guard, or agents on the ground. He was/is frustrated with innocent Americans being slaughtered. I doubt if he’s done with it, we’ll see when the summer killings heat up again.
Yes, and if you wonder what I said what I said about FTW, it's because he has said here several times that Merrick Garland should have been put on SCOTUS other than Gorsuch - now Garland was an old clerk for Brennan, and an Clinton appointee. How do you think he would've voted on abortion? Showed me it was ideology first last and always with FTW.
No, you must not have read the links saying otherwise in that other thread - the last election when the Solid South went to the D was way back in 1952, it was chipped away since. It didn't go down ballot until 1994 but whatever makes you feel good . . .
No, you must not have read the links saying otherwise in that other thread - the last election when the Solid South went to the D was way back in 1952, it was chipped away since. It didn't go down ballot until 1994 but whatever makes you feel good . . .
I don't accept all information I get from random links. I KNOW the Republicans were the liberals in Lincoln's day. Watch the movie "Lincoln." In addition, I posted a statement that the real switch of the South came with Nixon's southern strategy. Ike was basically a war hero who was supported by everyone. I think he was an excellent president especially compared with the one we have now. Southern Democrats basically formed their own wing of the party behind people like George Wallace. In fact at democratic conventions in 1964 and in some states like Alabama ran separate slates of electors on the presidential ballot. Wallace split into a 3rd party for the 1972 election. He and Nixon appeared on the same stage after the election in Huntsville. I know because I was there. Nixon was strengthening his new southern strategy.
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So? The governor of a state shares the stage with a president?
1860 issues -railroad expansion, slavery, and Western settlement. GOP won the war but their behavior afterwards gave the South to the Democratic Party for a hundred years - called them "yellow dogs" - Strom Thurmond was THE only Dixiecrat that "converted", NONE of the other ones.
No, that was my point - Ike was NOT supported by everyone, Adlai Stevenson II was a Northern liberal Democrat and he won the Deep South twice. I know you are going to practice confirmation bias, but you can't tell me that Abe Lincoln would have wanted a carbon tax, a secular state, LGBT rights, SSM, abortion, massive illegal immigration, among other things, YOUR party supports today. Can't have Abe or Teddy, you'll have to settle for Wilson and Obama.
1860 issues -railroad expansion, slavery, and Western settlement. GOP won the war but their behavior afterwards gave the South to the Democratic Party for a hundred years - called them "yellow dogs" - Strom Thurmond was THE only Dixiecrat that "converted", NONE of the other ones.
No, that was my point - Ike was NOT supported by everyone, Adlai Stevenson II was a Northern liberal Democrat and he won the Deep South twice. I know you are going to practice confirmation bias, but you can't tell me that Abe Lincoln would have wanted a carbon tax, a secular state, LGBT rights, SSM, abortion, massive illegal immigration, among other things, YOUR party supports today. Can't have Abe or Teddy, you'll have to settle for Wilson and Obama.
I don't support the Democratic party on all issues (abortion is a good example) nor have I voted Democratic in all presidential elections. You're correct. The South did solidly support Stephenson in both 1952 and 1956. Stephenson ran with Sen. Sparkman from Ala., a segregationist. I assume that had an impact on the vote.
I really don't consider Trump to be a Republican so I won't use him as an example. But can you imagine a Republican president speaking along with and supporting a Democrat who had just run for president himself? You don't find that to be a little unusual? If not give me an example in which that happened.
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I don't know why anybody who cares about black people would not want black people to have a viable choice between two competing political parties. If the Democratic party can always count on black votes, why do Democratic politicians need to worry about delivering on promises? Blacks should try to get both parties courting their votes. If Kanye can help to accomplish such a thing, maybe he's not so crazy all the time.