Kenosis and divine attributes

His glory was veiled, but his divine "supernatural" abilities were relinquished.

 

Good Grief, we have been over this. The verse does not Jesus emptied Himself, it says the pre-incarnate Son emptied Himself. Please stop repeating refuted arguments again and again.

The Second Person of the Trinity emptied Himself, taking on the form of a bond servant.

I have presented the Biblical view over and over. No changing the name of the divine attributes, changing the Person who emptied Himself, or change of subject to man-made doctrine will alter Philippians 2:7. And BTW, the idea of the Hypostatic Union is Jesus was 100% God and 100% Man.

 

I know and understand this will upset some but it is my understanding. I believe the, baby to man, Jesus was without divine nature. Therefore with that understanding would this be a good question, with this being the mind of that man Jesus?

How would one in the form of God, that is the Word God invisible, go about humbling himself in form, morphe?

How? And, why? What did the God do?

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, Gal 4:4
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:14

Is this the only way GOD could die the death and destroy the works of the devil?

By being God the Father and the humbled Son of God through woman?

 

Did Jesus lose any of His divine attributes while here on Earth?

 

Still had all of them, chose not to use them!

 

RSV Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for every one.

Philippians 2:7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.

So we see that the emptying Himself of His glory/majesty and lowering Himself in rank was reflexive (self imposed) for our benefit.

HankD

 

When a person insists on taking 'emptied' (Phil 2:7) in a narrow and overly literal wooden sense so that they can support their doctrine, but then at the same time refuses to take 'saw' (John 1:48) in the same narrow and overly literal wooden sense because that blows their doctrine out of the water what we have is inconsistency of argumentation that demonstrates the irrational nature of the position being held - it is the mark of a failed argument.

 

I have a question for those hold to kenotic theology?

If, as I think we are all agreed, the thrust of Paul's teaching in Phil 2:1-11 is our need to follow the example of Christ, and if 9as some seem to say) the example of Christ is not merely in humbling himself, but actually in divesting himself of some of those attributes essential to the nature of God then how can we follow that example?

Which of our attributes that are essential to our humanity are we to divest ourselves of and how do we do that?

 

For some reason you are either overlooking or ignoring that I am using two different words in my explanation, and they have different meanings:

Attribute = a quality or feature regarded as a characteristic or inherent part of someone or something.
Ability = possession of the means or skill to do something.

You are obsessing about attributes and I am pointing to abilities.

Your critique is misplaced since I am not talking about "subtract[ing] or add[ing] attributes to His nature." There is no point in responding to the rest of it since that will only confuse this conversation more.

 

No, He set them aside.

 

Self, ego when it comes to dealing with those in need.

HankD

 

His divine attributes and glory were available to Him to be used through the will of the Father to whom He, as a man, willingly submitted.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

2 Peter 1
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

He temporarily lowered Himself (in rank) to die for us, this being the will of God to show us His grace:

RSV Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for every one.

His glory was restored after His resurrection/ascension:

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

He desires for us to be there with Him to behold His glory in eternity:

NKJV John 17:24 Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

HankD

 

Yet again the same arguments are repeated and repeated. The Greek grammar does not support Jesus did not really empty Himself, but rather took on the form of man. That rewrite is utterly bogus in order to fit man-made doctrine. The bogus contention is the unsupported claim emptied Him of some part of His divine attributes makes His less that 100% God. That dog will not hunt.

 

God cannot do that, could he, and still be God?

 

So in His deity, Jesus was no longer all knowing/powerful etc?

 

In His incarnation - before His resurrection and glorification - He did not have the ability to be omniscient nor omnipotent. He set that aside.

One does not cease being deity if One sets aside abilities for a time.