Kenosis and divine attributes

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Van]

Now you say "elects not to use some of His attributes." I thought before you were saying that the Son actually gave up the possession of them.

Why do you continue to slice the baloney so thin. Scripture says He emptied Himself. Thus the action was of His own volition.

 

[Van]

We have to define what that means. That's the point. The post-Constantinople controversies dealt with that question.

How many times are you going to accuse me of saying something I never said. I have always affirmed that Jesus "emptied Himself" per the text and that submission to the human nature included limited exercise of divine attributes.

"Rewrite"? What "rewrite"? Perhaps you can help me understand that by answering this question:

Do adverbs modify verbs?

Your question, do adverbs modify verbs is the claim Philippians 2:7 does not mean He emptied Himself. Your whole "He took on..." argument is not how the text reads, thus a rewrite.

Finally, your "submission to the human nature" goes right back to the bogus claim, He really didn't empty Himself, but once incarnate His divine attributes were veiled.

Lets leave it, my view is supported by scripture.

 

[AresMan]

Your question, do adverbs modify verbs is the claim Philippians 2:7 does not mean He emptied Himself. Your whole "He took on..." argument is not how the text reads, thus a rewrite.

"I went to visit my family in Florida, flying into Tampa and renting a car at the airport."

Would you deny that "flying" and "renting" tell us how I "went"? That "went" simply has its own full meaning independent of the participles that function as adverbs? Are you saying that I first (1) "went," second (2) "flew," and third (3) "rented"?

This is the same grammatical construct in Philippians 2:7.

Finally, your "submission to the human nature" goes right back to the bogus claim, He really didn't empty Himself, but once incarnate His divine attributes were veiled.

Lets leave it, my view is supported by scripture.

Given that adverbs do, in fact, modify verbs; therefore, "taking on" and "being made" tell us how the "emptied Himself" occurred. Yes, I stick to my guns that the emptying occurred by taking on a human form while still being in the divine form. This lines up perfectly with how the Chalcedonian Creed describes the Hypostatic Union. Whatever was necessary for human limitation occurred, but it was not in the lost possession of any attributes. It was in the submission of their exercise to the human nature, but nothing vanished into the ether or changed in the divine nature of the Son. That is what I have to believe.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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