Kerry Heckler Tasered

[Joe]

Being held down by officers is subdued. No immediate danger to the public. There was no reason to add the torture of the tazer. Cops should not have tazers, period.

 

[poncho]

He was not subdued and then tasered. He was on the ground still struggling with 4 or 5 big cops. If he was subdued, do you think they would have all still been sitting on him? No! they would have been walking him out of the event. He was not subdued enough to remove until he was tased.

Still not feeling sorry for him here. Being subdued sometimes hurts but does not constitute punishment. The punishment for creating this disturbance will come from a jury.

Struggling on the ground with 4 or 5 big cops? :laugh:

More like he had 4 or 5 big cops sitting on him. He wasn't going anywhere, he could barely move one arm and there were ten arms against his two. Are you joking? Because it sounds like you believe he was a dangerous out of control criminal and had to be tasedl All the police had to do was sit there a few more minutes and the kid would have tired himself out. The tasing just made it easier on the cops, more entertaining for Glenn Beck (and others who identify with authoritarians) and sent a message to others that might dare to demand straight answers instead of being demure and submissive in the face of their public servants and authority figures like der good little citizens should.

The kid might have been motivated to make a scene and get a video account of the whole thing, he may have been rude, he might even be a spoiled brat but he was doing something few will do today. He got up the courage to confront what he saw as a threat to his country and your best interests. At least he brought some attention to an issue most everyone else in this country is either to afraid and submissive or brainwashed to question seriously.

 

[menageriekeeper]

He wasn't representing my interests. I do that quite well on my own and no one has ever had to taze me in the process.

Sorry, but if he was still struggling, he was not subdued. Would he have tired himself out eventually? Possibly, but just why do you think the rest of the people in that room should have to wait while he did so?

See the problem here, isn't what he was doing, it is HOW he was doing it. He made his first mistake by not staying within the time limits that were given and built up from there. He showed no respect for Kerry, the other students who were in line behind him, the audience or the ultimate authority in the room, the officers. But yet, it is the officers who are being catagorized as unprofessional bullies. Talk about right becoming wrong, this here is a good example.

Here in America, we have a long history of standing up and confronting wrong when we see it. I have no problem with that. I have no problem with this kid standing on the steps of the building this event was held in shouting his views for all the world to hear. But somehow I can't see how disrupting this event (over an election that has been settled) can be contrued as "confront what he saw as a threat to his country and your best interests."

And just what issue did he bring attention too that nobody is questioning seriously? That of police officers having/using tazers?

I got a question for you, which had you rather have used: a tazer or billy club?

The use of tazers came about because of claims of injury and abuse from the use of guns and billy clubs. Yes, tazers do hold some risk of heart attack. Well, guns hold the risk of outright death and billy clubs hold the risk of serious injury even when used properly.

What do you expect those charged with protecting us from criminals to do when faced with someone who refuses to repect their authority(God given authority at that!)?

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Non compliance to police officers is a big deal. and it is never peaceful.

 

[carpro]

Being held down by officers is subdued. No immediate danger to the public. There was no reason to add the torture of the tazer. Cops should not have tazers, period.

Whatever happened to him was a result of choices he made.

IOW His own fault.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Well, he wasn't actually tasered for heckling Kerry - that is obvious.

However, Kerry was ready to answer his question - who were the officers involved to decide he was out of line. Kerry said, "Let his ask his question, it is an important one..." but by that time it was decided that he had to go.

Perhaps he did deserve the tasering for non-compliance. I have to wonder about why he had to comply with their wishes when the speaker want to talk to him.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Well, he wasn't actually tasered for heckling Kerry - that is obvious.

However, Kerry was ready to answer his question - who were the officers involved to decide he was out of line. Kerry said, "Let his ask his question, it is an important one..." but by that time it was decided that he had to go.

Perhaps he did deserve the tasering for non-compliance. I have to wonder about why he had to comply with their wishes when the speaker want to talk to him.

Because the rules were set up, beforehand, and he knew it when he stepped to the podium. Kerry didn't set the rules.

If this kid followed the rules, he wouldn't have been tazed. It's about that simple.

 

[carpro]

Well, he wasn't actually tasered for heckling Kerry - that is obvious.

However, Kerry was ready to answer his question - who were the officers involved to decide he was out of line. Kerry said, "Let his ask his question, it is an important one..." but by that time it was decided that he had to go.

Perhaps he did deserve the tasering for non-compliance. I have to wonder about why he had to comply with their wishes when the speaker want to talk to him.

Kerry may have answered his questions if the young man had given him a chance. He never shut up long enough to find out. That's why he was justifiably removed.

 

[Joe]

Whatever happened to him was a result of choices he made.

IOW His own fault.

Come on carpro, you can't believe the tazer IS THE" result of his choices"

What happened to being hauled off to jail, and having charges brought against you? Is that not good enough for you??? When is torture justified?

As men, when we see this type of thing go on, we must take charge and immediately and start quietly herding the crowd away from the problem without interrupting the police. I wouldn't watch anyone beat up a Cop without intervening but there were plenty in this situation.

He was subdued according to Webster's Dictionary

1 : to conquer and bring into subjection : VANQUISH
2 : to bring under control especially by an exertion of the will
3 : to bring (land) under cultivation
4 : to reduce the intensity or degree of : tone down

 

[carpro]

C'mon you can't believe without the tazer there would be no result of his choices, no reprocussions.

I certainly do.

All he had to do was leave. It was his choice to struggle.

He got what he deserved.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

C'mon you can't believe without the tazer there would be no result of his choices, no reprocussions. I see the main charge as resisting arrest, but there are likely a few more.

Is that not good enough for you????


Yes, he was subdued according to Webster's Dictionary

1 : to conquer and bring into subjection : VANQUISH
2 : to bring under control especially by an exertion of the will
3 : to bring (land) under cultivation
4 : to reduce the intensity or degree of : tone down

do you kow how many "peaceful looking' people have pulled out knives and guns and seriously hurt and or killed police officers? do not pretend to know what everyone in this situation will do. It is a fools game.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

This is the true 1960's legacy. Authority bad, loud-mouthed rule breakers good. Cops can't protect themselves, and children are allowed to do anything they want.

 

[webdog]

This is the true 1960's legacy. Authority bad, loud-mouthed rule breakers good. Cops can't protect themselves, and children are allowed to do anything they want.

What garbage. The cops were NOT protecting themseves. As was already pointed out, 4-5 big cops were sitting on him. That IS NOT "protecting yourself" by using excessive force, plain and simple.

 

[Joe]

I certainly do.

All he had to do was leave. It was his choice to struggle.

He got what he deserved.

Well I disagree. Even without the tazer, throw the book at him. He deserves to go to jail for resisting an Officer. I am not against an Officer using physical force, but a tazer interrupts your heart beat, and there is no guarantee it will begin beating again. It is a torture device.
There is no justified reason to risk killing someone over this incident, even if he never was subdued by Officers. Leave him be if needed, arrest later when it's safer for the public. Common sense was needed.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

What garbage. The cops were NOT protecting themseves. As was already pointed out, 4-5 big cops were sitting on him. That IS NOT "protecting yourself" by using excessive force, plain and simple.

Nope. Excessive force is what the kid was using.

I stand by what I said. the word "garbage" does not really intimidate me. I ran out of numbers counting the times this dope could have avoided being tased. I saw the cops sitting on him.

Webdog, are you a cop ? Or, have you ever had to restrain someone bigger than you ?

 

[Joe]

do you kow how many "peaceful looking' people have pulled out knives and guns and seriously hurt and or killed police officers? do not pretend to know what everyone in this situation will do. It is a fools game.

Of course, someone could pull out a knife during a routine traffic stop but let's not get too neurotic here.

I don't pretend to know the situation, but you can see how there were many different ways in handling this.

 

[webdog]

Nope. Excessive force is what the kid was using.

I stand by what I said. the word "garbage" does not really intimidate me. I ran out of numbers counting the times this dope could have avoided being tased. I saw the cops sitting on him.

Webdog, are you a cop ? Or, have you ever had to restrain someone bigger than you ?

Now the kid was using excessive force? :laugh:

If you saw the cops sitting on him...obviously he couldn't have been using excessive force AND he was subdued.

I'm not a cop, but my brother in law is. I know what excessive force entails.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

What garbage. The cops were NOT protecting themseves. As was already pointed out, 4-5 big cops were sitting on him. That IS NOT "protecting yourself" by using excessive force, plain and simple.

You lack a great deal of information as to the different scenarios that law enforcement officers get hurt or killed.

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FSAC/Publications/SACNotes/personnel_and_danger_11-95.asp

Bottom line is if he had not resisted there would have been no need.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Now the kid was using excessive force? :laugh:

He wouldn't have been tased if he didn't.

If you saw the cops sitting on him...obviously he couldn't have been using excessive force AND he was subdued.

I saw the kid struggling to get free.

I'm not a cop, but my brother in law is. I know what excessive force entails.

I don't think you do. My brother in law is in a biker gang, that doesn't make me an authority on them.

The moral of the story is, the adults need to be in control. Parents can help them by making sure their kids know the difference between bad behavior & good behavior.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Bottom line is if he had not resisted there would have been no need.

It boggles the mind, why this point is absolutely ignored.