Killing Jesus

[pinoybaptist]

Bill O'Reilly was talking about this in this afternoon's interview with Fox news.
What is the book "Killing Jesus" all about ?
I couldn't get much of what O'Reilly was saying because the sound was off, only closed captioning was on, and weather keeps digitizing the screen of the TV at a Dunkin' Donuts store.
anybody read this book yet ?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Haven't read it. Have no intention of reading it. Saw clips of his "60 Minutes" interview on FNC, and heard him say "Jesus was fearful," "Jesus wasn't expecting this ... " etc., which was enough to convince me he hasn't the ability to write a definitive book about Jesus.

 

[Yeshua1]

Bill O'Reilly was talking about this in this afternoon's interview with Fox news.
What is the book "Killing Jesus" all about ?
I couldn't get much of what O'Reilly was saying because the sound was off, only closed captioning was on, and weather keeps digitizing the screen of the TV at a Dunkin' Donuts store.
anybody read this book yet ?

Think that he denies some of the bible doctrines, as he holds a "matter of faith", andnot provable by historical facts, and thinks jesus died for political/tax reasons, not for the sins of sinners!

 

[preachinjesus]

Bill O'Reilly was talking about this in this afternoon's interview with Fox news.
What is the book "Killing Jesus" all about ?

It's his latest book to talk about the death of Jesus. Bill and a co-author, put together this book which deals with details around Jesus' death. Bill has said he didn't set out to write a theological book, but a historical book. However, I'd say that when you write a book about Jesus' death you are, by default, writing about theology.

I couldn't get much of what O'Reilly was saying because the sound was off, only closed captioning was on, and weather keeps digitizing the screen of the TV at a Dunkin' Donuts store.
anybody read this book yet ?

I've read it and thought it wasn't worth the money it cost to buy the ink for book. Bill is really good at hyping his stuff and writing stuff that appeals to conservatives. However, the book isn't very good. I actually think its a dangerous book along the same lines as Reza Aslan's Zealot that released during the summer.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I've read it and think Bill is no better than Aslan in his approach.

 

[SolaSaint]

I don't think Bill has any idea of who Jesus was or is. I think he is just riding out his fame as an author. This time I think he picked the wrong subject.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Bill has a "formula" for writing that is exciting read. "Killing Kennedy". "Killing Lincoln".

[snipped]

 

[Revmitchell]

[no longer applicable, but point well taken and appreciated, brother]

 

[pinoybaptist]

okay, y'all...thank you very much for the feedback. very much appreciated.

 

[Yeshua1]

It's his latest book to talk about the death of Jesus. Bill and a co-author, put together this book which deals with details around Jesus' death. Bill has said he didn't set out to write a theological book, but a historical book. However, I'd say that when you write a book about Jesus' death you are, by default, writing about theology.



I've read it and thought it wasn't worth the money it cost to buy the ink for book. Bill is really good at hyping his stuff and writing stuff that appeals to conservatives. However, the book isn't very good. I actually think its a dangerous book along the same lines as Reza Aslan's Zealot that released during the summer.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I've read it and think Bill is no better than Aslan in his approach.

that makes sense, as both of them see Jesus as being someone other than the Bible states, as the Messiah!

 

[Thomas Helwys]

I don't agree with anything any of you have said here.

BTW, so, Jesus couldn't have been fearful? Was Jesus human or not?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

BTW, so, Jesus couldn't have been fearful? Was Jesus human or not?

Certainly He was fully human, but He was also fully God. Jesus couldnt have delivered us from the fear of death if he was himself afraid of it.

What Jesus felt was dread, Dread of separation from His Father. He'd never experienced that before. He was always one with him. When Jesus became sin, God could not behold His son anymore because He is too holy to look upon sin. And then on the cross Jesus cried out "Fathe, Father", why have thou forsaken me?"

We know from John`s gospel that Jesus sweat drops of blood in the Garden of Gethsemane before His death, and said: "Abba, Father, all things are possible to you. Please remove this cup from me. However, not what I desire, but what you desire." A man who felt fear would have begged the Father to spare Him. Jesus did not. He expressed dread of that task before Him, yet He stated clearly, "Your will, not Mine."

 

[Yeshua1]

Certainly He was fully human, but He was also fully God. Jesus couldnt have delivered us from the fear of death if he was himself afraid of it.

What Jesus felt was dread, Dread of separation from His Father. He'd never experienced that before. He was always one with him. When Jesus became sin, God could not behold His son anymore because He is too holy to look upon sin. And then on the cross Jesus cried out "Fathe, Father", why have thou forsaken me?"

We know from John`s gospel that Jesus sweat drops of blood in the Garden of Gethsemane before His death, and said: "Abba, Father, all things are possible to you. Please remove this cup from me. However, not what I desire, but what you desire." A man who felt fear would have begged the Father to spare Him. Jesus did not. He expressed dread of that task before Him, yet He stated clearly, "Your will, not Mine."

jesus was not afraid of physical death, as He waas the One who was given the authority to decide when/how he was to die, but feared the seperation from the father, as being God, he NEVER had before or ever again felt the same way as sinners do, forsaken by God!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Think that he denies some of the bible doctrines, as he holds a "matter of faith", andnot provable by historical facts, and thinks jesus died for political/tax reasons, not for the sins of sinners!

What would a Cathodic like him know about doctrine?

 

[preachinjesus]

I don't agree with anything any of you have said here.

This is unsurprising.

BTW, so, Jesus couldn't have been fearful? Was Jesus human or not?

I'm missing who said this, but I miss quite a bit. There's no reason to believe Jesus wasn't fearful, or that he didn't have the capacity for fear. He knew the entirety of what was coming. How could he not have been fearful?

 

[annsni]

Here's Tim Challies' take on the book.

http://www.challies.com/book-reviews/killing-jesus

Bottom line:

Killing Jesus is not a bad book as much as it is an incomplete book. As history it is compelling, but of all historical events, none has greater spiritual significance than the life and death of Jesus Christ. And this is the story they miss.

 

[quantumfaith]

Certainly He was fully human, but He was also fully God. Jesus couldnt have delivered us from the fear of death if he was himself afraid of it.

What Jesus felt was dread, Dread of separation from His Father. He'd never experienced that before. He was always one with him. When Jesus became sin, God could not behold His son anymore because He is too holy to look upon sin. And then on the cross Jesus cried out "Fathe, Father", why have thou forsaken me?"

We know from John`s gospel that Jesus sweat drops of blood in the Garden of Gethsemane before His death, and said: "Abba, Father, all things are possible to you. Please remove this cup from me. However, not what I desire, but what you desire." A man who felt fear would have begged the Father to spare Him. Jesus did not. He expressed dread of that task before Him, yet He stated clearly, "Your will, not Mine."

I have often heard this perspective, but I take a different approach. I believe Jesus' quotation of PSalm 22 at the time of the crucifixion was a statement of victory, victory that he was and did accomplish the will of the Father on the cross.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I have often heard this perspective, but I take a different approach. I believe Jesus' quotation of PSalm 22 at the time of the crucifixion was a statement of victory, victory that he was and did accomplish the will of the Father on the cross.

I can accept that as well. Certainly I could see how the words would be said in a fashion conveying His victory. Good point.

:thumbsup:

 

[quantumfaith]

I can accept that as well. Certainly I could see how the words would be said in a fashion conveying His victory. Good point.

:thumbsup:

I say that, remembering my much loved OT Professor from college, he taught that Psalm 22 was a Psalm of victory. (Dr. J.W Lee) He has gone on to eternity, I sorely miss his leadership and scholarship. He himself was taught, if my memory serves correctly by Dr. Lee of NOBTS.

 

[Yeshua1]

I can accept that as well. Certainly I could see how the words would be said in a fashion conveying His victory. Good point.

:thumbsup:

believe Jesus was quoting all scriptures that applied to Him as in a sense saying that he was the One foretold, and believe in this particular case, BOTH would be correct, as he was experiencing seperation eternally from the father as lost sinners will, and that he also was going to say "it is finished/accomplished!"

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Certainly He was fully human, but He was also fully God. Jesus couldnt have delivered us from the fear of death if he was himself afraid of it.

What Jesus felt was dread, Dread of separation from His Father. He'd never experienced that before. He was always one with him. When Jesus became sin, God could not behold His son anymore because He is too holy to look upon sin. And then on the cross Jesus cried out "Fathe, Father", why have thou forsaken me?"

We know from John`s gospel that Jesus sweat drops of blood in the Garden of Gethsemane before His death, and said: "Abba, Father, all things are possible to you. Please remove this cup from me. However, not what I desire, but what you desire." A man who felt fear would have begged the Father to spare Him. Jesus did not. He expressed dread of that task before Him, yet He stated clearly, "Your will, not Mine."

If Jesus was not capable of fear, then He was not fully human. Period.