King James Bible Companion

[BobinKy]

Thank you Bob. I believe its important for the others on here to tell us why they believe only the originals were inspired and that we have no 100% inspired Bible. I see nothing but side stepping and skirting around the real issue..

Trying to find faults with the KJV is just a smoke screen. They need to be honest about the problems these modern versions present.

The bottom line is: do we have a preserved text or not?

Jaocb77...

You continue to make good points. Please tell us more.

...Bob

 

[Jim1999]

Which KJV is the authentic one; Cambridge or Oxford? They do have some differences too?

Who authorized the men who formed the canon? Does this mean we should really be Roman Catholic and not Baptists?

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Mexdeaf]

Thank you Bob. I believe its important for the others on here to tell us why they believe only the originals were inspired and that we have no 100% inspired Bible. I see nothing but side stepping and skirting around the real issue..

Trying to find faults with the KJV is just a smoke screen. They need to be honest about the problems these modern versions present.

The bottom line is: do we have a preserved text or not?

We do not have a 100% inspired Bible unless you redefine the meaning of inspiration.

The Scriptural meaning of inspiration is found in 2 Peter 1:19-21.

The KJV translators would shudder at the thought of their work being considered inspired. I posted this earlier on another thread:

I am convinced the KJV is not inspired, and thousands of Bible believers through the past 400 years have believed the same. God never promised to inspire translators- a fact with which the KJV translators themselves were well aware.

From the Preface to the reader of the KJV:

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[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]A man may be counted a virtuous man, though he have made many slips in his life, (else, there were none virtuous, for in many things we offend all) [James 3:2] also a comely man and lovely, though he have some warts upon his hand, yea, not only freckles upon his face, but also scars. No cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it. For whatever was perfect under the Sun, where Apostles or Apostolic men, that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God's spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility, had not their hand?[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]Some peradventure would have no variety of senses to be set in the margin, lest the authority of the Scriptures for deciding of controversies by that show of uncertainty, should somewhat be shaken. But we hold their judgment not to be sound in this point. For though, "whatsoever things are necessary are manifest," as S. Chrysostom saith, [S. Chrysost. in II. Thess. cap. 2.] and as S. Augustine, "In those things that are plainly set down in the Scriptures, all such matters are found that concern Faith, Hope, and Charity." [S. Aug. 2. de doctr. Christ. cap. 9.] Yet for all that it cannot be dissembled, that partly to exercise and whet our wits, partly to wean the curious from the loathing of them for their every-where plainness, partly also to stir up our devotion to crave the assistance of God's spirit by prayer, and lastly, that we might be forward to seek aid of our brethren by conference, and never scorn those that be not in all respects so complete as they should be, being to seek in many things ourselves, it hath pleased God in his divine providence, here and there to scatter words and sentences of that difficulty and doubtfulness, not in doctrinal points that concern salvation, (for in such it hath been vouched that the Scriptures are plain) but in matters of less moment, that fearfulness would better beseem us than confidence, and if we will resolve upon modesty with S. Augustine, (though not in this same case altogether, yet upon the same ground) Melius est debitare de occultis, quam litigare de incertis, [S. Aug li. S. de Genes. ad liter. cap. 5.] "it is better to make doubt of those things which are secret, than to strive about those things that are uncertain." There be many words in the Scriptures, which be never found there but once, (having neither brother or neighbor, as the Hebrews speak) so that we cannot be holpen by conference of places.
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The KJV is a good translation. No modern translation reads as beautifully (although not quite as easily understood by the majority of modern readers), IMHO. But it is no more or less inspired than the NIV (which I am not particularly fond of), the NASB, the ESV,... etc.

You need to start doing some serious study on your own. I have, I know what I believe, and I have the utmost confidence that the Bible that I am studying and will be preaching out of this Sunday IS the Word of God- even if it isn't the KJV.

 

[Jaocb77]

A bit of an overstatement, to say the least. Here are just a few verses from both versions, chosen at random - I didn't deliberately look for verses in which the versions were most similar. (AV=KJV):
Genesis 1.6:

(AV) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
(NKJV) Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."
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1 Kings 10.5:

(AV) And the meat of his table, and the sitting of his servants, and the attendance of his ministers, and their apparel, and his cupbearers, and his ascent by which he went up unto the house of the LORD; there was no more spirit in her.
(NKJV) the food on his table, the seating of his servants, the service of his waiters and their apparel, his cupbearers, and his entryway by which he went up to the house of the LORD, there was no more spirit in her.
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Psalm 119.116:

(AV) Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope.
(NKJV) Uphold me according to Your word, that I may live; And do not let me be ashamed of my hope.
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Mark 14.35:

(AV) And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.
(NKJV) He went a little farther, and fell on the ground, and prayed that if it were possible, the hour might pass from Him.
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2 Timothy 4.2:

(AV) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2 (NKJV) Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
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It seems to me that your assertion about the NKJV being "nothing like" the KJV is mistaken.

Then please tell me why the NKJV omits key words critical to salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ? Is that similar to the KJV? Or is it subtly deceptive?


Many of the word changes between the KJV and the NKJV are not just changing the archaisms. Instead, many are changes which clearly show the NKJV translators departed from the KJV and the Textus Receptus, in favor of the very same wording found in versions, (including the JW's NWT), translated from corrupted Greek texts.

The NKJV claims to have "preserved the authority and accuracy" of the original KJV, but in , actuality it is a hybrid text which has many changes identical with or similar to the modern Bible versions which emanate from the Alexandrian stream. The NKJV even matches the Jehovah Witnesses Version in quite a few instances.


Sorry David, but the King James Bible stands alone.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

give us one example where the NKJV deviates from the TR please.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Then please tell me why the NKJV omits key words critical to salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ? Is that similar to the KJV? Or is it subtly deceptive?

Please give some examples of where the NKJV has omitted "key words critical to salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ".

 

[Logos1560]

Then please tell me why the NKJV omits key words critical to salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ? Is that similar to the KJV? Or is it subtly deceptive?


Many of the word changes between the KJV and the NKJV are not just changing the archaisms. Instead, many are changes which clearly show the NKJV translators departed from the KJV and the Textus Receptus, in favor of the very same wording found in versions, (including the JW's NWT), translated from corrupted Greek texts.

The NKJV even matches the Jehovah Witnesses Version in quite a few instances. .

You are repeating the incorrect and unproven accusations of some KJV-only authors. You are using an improper guilt by association argument and bearing false witness against the NKJV and its translators. There is no proper basis for your attempt to associate the NKJV with the JW's NWT. You have been challenged in another thread to prove your accusation that the NKJV supposedly departs from the TR.

You ignore the fact that the pre-1611 English Bibles of which the KJV was a revision and which KJV-only authors claim were based on the Textus Receptus have greater variations from the KJV's N. T. than the NKJV. Some differences in translating is not proper evidence of the use of a different text.

 

[franklinmonroe]

... The NKJV even matches the Jehovah Witnesses Version in quite a few instances. ...

There are similarities in all the versions. So your point is?

 

[Logos1560]

the King James Bible stands alone.

You are wrong. No translation stands alone. A translation is dependent upon its underlying texts. By asserting that the KJV stands alone, are you in effect denying the preservation of the Scriptures in the original languages? The KJV translators themselves maintained that translations are to be tried by the standard of the preserved Scriptures in the original languages.

In addition, the KJV does not stand alone because the KJV is a revision of earlier English Bibles (Tyndale's, Coverdale's, Matthew's, Great, Geneva, Bishops').

If what was copied from these pre-1611 English Bibles was removed from the KJV, there would not be much left of it except the renderings the KJV translators borrowed from the 1582 Roman Catholic Rheims New Testament and some new renderings that they made.

 

[annsni]

The NKJV even matches the Jehovah Witnesses Version in quite a few instances.

So does the KJV and as a matter of fact, the JW will not accept any other version but the KJV (besides the NWT). It's the same with every other cult - they use the KJV. Does that meant the KJV is corrupt?

 

[Rippon]

So does the KJV and as a matter of fact, the JW will not accept any other version but the KJV (besides the NWT). It's the same with every other cult - they use the KJV. Does that meant the KJV is corrupt?

Excellent point Ann. I remember all my exposure to Mormons through the past decades. They usually were armed with the KJV. Not Joseph Smith's so-called "Inspired Version",but the good ole' KJV.

 

[Askjo]

Amen! This is the problem. We have many christians believing there is no 100% inspired bible anywhere on the face of the earth. That God failed to keep His promise to preserve His word when he said: My words shall endure forever.

The question on the inspiration is:

Is the inspired KJV better than the original autographs of the OT and the NT that God perfectly inspired?

 

[Askjo]

Thanks to a post DiamondLady made in another thread, I decided to order a couple of copies of The King James Bible Companion by David W. Daniels. The King James Bible Companion is available from Chick Publications and is a small 22-page pamphlet defining over 600 archaic words found in the King James Bible. There are three columns of information for each entry: word, definition, Biblical reference. This dictionary is useful for both looking up KJB words and identifying KJB contributions to the English language. Many of the words are not archaic in the sense that we continue to hear them in conversation and formal documents. The book is sized 4 1/2 inches by 5 3/8 inches, and the type is very readable. Whatever your views on the King James Bible, this is one pamphlet you will find yourself using over and over as you encounter some of these words at church, in the community, and in your own household.

...Bob

A few entries from The King James Companion

Abjects - People thrown out; outcasts - Psa 35:15
Apothecary - One who makes perfumes - Ex 30:25
Bethink - Come to one's senses, consider - 1 Ki 8:47
Brimstone - Sulfur - Gen 19:24
Cast angle - To fish with a hook - Isa 19:8

Churl - A rude, harsh person - Isa 32:5,7
Daub - To cover or plaster - Ex 2:3; Ezek 13:10
Dragon - Huge lizard; dianosaur - Dt 32:33
Dragon - The Devil, Satan - Rev 12:9
Earnest (n.) - Down payment - 2 Cor 1:22

Euroclydon - Furious, north-easterly wind - Acts 27:14
Even, eveningtide - Evening time - Gen 19:1
Firebrand - Burning wood; a torch - Jdg 15:4
Flowers (her) - Menstrual flow; a woman's period - Lev 15:24
Gaddest about - Go back and forth, to and fro - Jer 2:36

Grisled - Spotted, Speckled - Gen 31:10
Haughty - Proud; arrogant; lifted up - 2 Sam 22:28
Heady - Headstrong; reckless; hasty - 2 Tim 3:4
Immutable - Unchangeable (an attribute of God) - Heb 6:18
Incontinent - Without self control; unbridled - 2 Tim 3:3

Jangling - Noisy argument; quarreling - 1 Tim 1:6
Kin, kindred - Family - Lev 18:6
Laver - Wash basin - Ex 20:18
Lot (to cast) - Pebbles thrown to make decisions - Lev 16:8
Maranatha - "Our Lord cometh" - 1 Cor 16:22

Mess - Portion of food - Gen 43:34
Neesings - Sneezing - Job 41:18
Noisome - Destructive; hurtful; noxious - Psa 91:3
Not a whit - Not the least bit - 2 Cor 11:5
Odd number - What is left over; over and above - Num 3:48

Ouches - Settings for gems; sockets - Ex 28:11
Peculiar - Particular; special; one's own - Ex 19:5
Prating - Babbling; chattering - Prov 10:8,10
Psaltery - Stringed instrument, as a harp or guitar - 1 Sam 10:5
Quick - Alive; living - Lev 3:10

Quit you like men - Behave/act as a man should - 1 Cor 16:13
Rebuke - Reprimand; strongly warn; restrain - Gen 31:42
Rereward - Towards the rear; rear guard - Isa 52:12
Ruddy - Reddish (hair or complexion) - 1 Sam 16:12

Sanctify - Make holy; set apart for God's use - Gen 2:3
Standard - Flag; banner - Num 1:52
Taches - Hooks; fasteners - Ex 26:6
Translate - Transfer; remove to another place - 2 Sam 3:10
Unseemly - Inappropriate - Rom 1:27

Untoward - Perverse; not easily taught or guided - Acts 2:40
Verily - Truly - Gen 42: 21
Victuals - Food for humans - Gen 14:11
Vocation - What God calls, gifts a person to do - Eph 4:1
Wanton - Without restraint; reckless - Isa 3:16

Wherewithal - How? with what? - Ps 119:9; Matt 6:31
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Yes, I have it on my bookshelf.

 

[Askjo]

The is a great tool. I don't have one, but I keep a copy of 'The King James Bible Handbook' close to hand and use it regularly.

However, I do not understand why it is so important to use words that passed out of regular use hundreds of years ago. Just being old does not make them right or better.

See red bold above. Please PM me where to get it. Thanks.

 

[Mexdeaf]

The question on the inspiration is:

Is the inspired KJV better than the original autographs of the OT and the NT that God perfectly inspired?

The actual question is:

Is the KJV "better than the original autographs of the OT and the NT that God perfectly inspired?"

And the correct answer is:

No.

 

[Askjo]

Btw, I think more unsaved people are familiar with Scripture from the KJV than any other.

Agreed. When I was not saved, I was aware of the KJV because I read it.

 

[Askjo]

The actual question is:

Is the KJV "better than the original autographs of the OT and the NT that God perfectly inspired?"

And the correct answer is:

No.

Well, I mean the KJV inspiration.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Well, I mean the KJV inspiration.

The answer is still no.

 

[BobinKy]

The answer is still no.

Are you sure?

...Bob

 

[Logos1560]

Jaocb77...

Brother, you are posting some good stuff.

Thank you.
...Bob

Are his misrepresentations and false accusations that he has made concerning the NKJV "good stuff?"