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Blammo

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peperoni123 said:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/king_james-proofs.htm

My name is Justin. I am 18. I am an Independant Fundamental Baptist. I only use the KJV. I faithfully attend church and surrendered to preach the gospel last year. I am going to Faithway Baptist College next year to take a four year course to be a pastor.
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Justin,

It is important that you pray for wisdom and strength (I trust that you do) if you are going to involve yourself in these forums. I came here thinking that I would find many like-minded people (haven't been a Baptist all my life) but found many differing views on almost every subject. You are going to feel virtually alone in your KJVO beliefs, but there are actually a few of us here. The reason you will not see many of us posting our views is we do not feel as strongly about defending what we believe as the other side does about attacking it. I am gladly KJVO and I don't enjoy people attacking my Bible while defending the MVs. That is what you will find; If you question the MVs you are attacking the word of God, if you question the KJB you are attacking the "KJVO Myth". Just remember, every argument that you will have thrown at you has been answered by someone. (There is nothing new under the sun)

That is just a small amount of info to help prepare you for what you are going to encounter here.

God bless you, Justin. Stay faithful to God and let Him be your guide.
 
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Ed Edwards said:
Which King James Version do you use?
Here is a sample test:

1. Ruth III:15d (KJV1611):

... and he went into the citie.

2. Ruth 3:15 (KJV1769):

... and she went into the city.

3. Ruth 3:15 (KJV1873):

... and he went into the city.
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I didn't know they had those opeations back then?
 
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Blammo: //I am gladly KJVO and I don't enjoy people
attacking my Bible while defending the MVs.//

I am gladly an MV user and I don't enjoy people
attacking my Bibles while defending the KJVs.

Peperoni123:
//My name is Justin. I am 18. I am an Independant Fundamental Baptist.
I only use the KJV. I faithfully attend church and surrendered
to preach the gospel last year. I am going to Faithway Baptist College
next year to take a four year course to be a pastor.//

God bless you brother Peperoni123. May God bless your endeavor at
Faithway Baptist College.

At the page: Fundamentalist Ministries (KJV) at:

http://www.wholesomewords.org/direc.html

it says (bolding by Ed)

FAITHWAY BAPTIST COLLEGE OF CANADA
1964 Salem Road
Ajax, Ontario L1T 4V3
Dr. Gregory O. Baker, President
Phone: 905-686-0951
Fax: 905-686-1450
E-mail: faithway@faithway.org
Web site: www.college.faithway.org/

Began 1983. Independent Baptist Bible College. "Training Servants for the Master,"
the college is an integral part of FaithWay Baptist Church.
Certificate of Biblical Studies, Graduate of Theology Diploma, Bachelor and Master degree programs.

The Scriptures: "We believe in the plenary, verbal inspiration
of the sixty-six books of the Bible. The Old and New Testaments
are inerrant in the original writings, and they are the supreme
and final authority in all matters of faith and practice.
We believe that the Masoretic Text of the Old Testament
and the Textus Receptus of the New Testament
are the preserved Word of God.
It is our practice to use only the King James Version."
--from Statement of Faith. 8/2006
Which is interesting.

My name is Ed. I am 63. I am a Southern Baptist and have been
for the past 55 years. I use two different KJVs on a dailly basis
but perfer the HCSB = Christian Standard Bible /Holman, 2003/
for private and public devotions and Sunday School teaching.
I faithfully attend church and surrendered to preach
(as a lay person) the gospel on Bulletin Boards (bbs) 22 years ago.
Which avocation I've performed for all the last 22 years.

2 Peter 3:11 (KJV1611 Edition):
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolued,
What maner of persons ought ye to be
in all holy conuersation, and godlinesse,
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Keith M

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Blammo said:
The reason you will not see many of us posting our views is we do not feel as strongly about defending what we believe as the other side does about attacking it. I am gladly KJVO and I don't enjoy people attacking my Bible while defending the MVs. That is what you will find; If you question the MVs you are attacking the word of God, if you question the KJB you are attacking the "KJVO Myth".
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Justin, welcome to the Baptist Board. Above is one of the standard misrepresentations thrown around by many of those who support the KJVO myth. It is alright for them to blaspheme the word of God by calling other Bible versions "perversions" yet those who stand against the KJVO myth are falsely accused of attacking the KJV. There is nothing further from the truth. I have stood firmly against the KJVO myth for many years, yet the KJV is one of the Bibles I use most frequently.

Justin, you are young and I pray it isn't too late to educate you to the errors that make up the KJVO myth. The only valid reasons for being KJVO are (1) that you prefer the KJV to the point that you do not use other Bible versions or (2) that you believe the various manuscripts from which the KJV was translated are the best manuscripts and that the KJV is the best English translation of those manuscripts.

Justin, here are some valid and valuable facts that you should take into account.

The KJV is not perfect as many who support the KJVO myth falsey claim. There are mistakes in the KJV just as there are mistakes in other English Bible versions.

There is not a shred of scriptural backing for the KJVO myth. Neither the KJV nor any other Bible version teach one-versionism.

The KJV, just like all the English Bible versions before it and after it, are mere translations of the word of God. Translations are not inspired - only the original writings (the autographs, as they are called) were inspired writings.

Many of the "truths" of the KJVO myth are nothing but misrepresentations of the truth and plain old falsehoods. Many who support the KJVO myth will go so far as to call others names and to try to refocus the direction of the conversation rather than answer questions they cannot answer. Many like Peter Ruckman and others practice a form of KJVOism that can only be described as "suspect." These folks are extremely confrontational, yet they cannot truthfully answer many of the questions thrown at them because there is no way to answer some of these questions without contradicting the KJVO myth.

Many followers of the KJVO myth contradict themselves and one another in their zeal to "defend" a Bible version which is not under attack.

Justin, I am praying that the Holy Spirit will work in your life and in your ministry. I also pray that the Holy Spirit will show you the truth about the KJVO myth before it is too late for you. You are young and you can learn much - but I pray that your "learning" does not come from people like Ripplinger and Ruckman who promote myth over truth.
 
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Blammo

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Keith M said:
... Above is one of the standard misrepresentations thrown around by many of those who support the KJVO myth. It is alright for them to blaspheme the word of God by calling other Bible versions "perversions" ...
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Talk about your misrepresentations.

Keith,

As soon as I got to "perversions" I quit reading. (I know, I know, the post was not addressed to me anyhow) I challenge you to find one post out of my 800+ where I have referred to the MVs as perversions. I don't attack the MVs, I have defended the KJB against attack, but I grew tired of it.

Why is it not blasphemy to attack the KJB, is it not the word of God? You claim you attack the "myth" not the book. That may be true of you (I won't falsely accuse you as you did me) but I have seen others attack the "myth" by attacking the book. That is what I have a problem with.
 
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Keith M

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Justin, here is something to get you started on the road to the truth about errors in the KJV. In almost every occurrence of the original word pascha the KJV translators used the word "Passover." Yet in Acts 12:4, the KJV translators erroneously used the word "Easter" for the original "pascha." This is definitely not a printing error, but it is a translational error.

There are several other errors in the KJV, many of which have been discussed in various threads here at Baptist Board. After all, since the KJV is merely a translation of God's word and is no more inspired than any other English translation, man's limitations will creep in. Neither the KJV nor other English Bible translations are immune to these human limitations - only the original autographs were inspired and therefore perfect.

We can say that all legitimate English Bible translations are perfect in that they convey to us the plan of salvation and the truths that God intended to hand down to us. There are "bible versions" which were "translated" by various groups so that they can have a "bible" that agrees with their false teachings, but these are not legitimate Bible translations. The Jehovah's Witnesses have the New World Translation. The Mormons have the Joseph Smith Translation. The Seventh Day Adventists have the Clear Word Translation. But to claim that one single version is absolutely perfect in every way and then to degrade any other translation is purely ridiculous.
 
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Keith M

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Blammo said:
Talk about your misrepresentations.

Keith,

As soon as I got to "perversions" I quit reading. (I know, I know, the post was not addressed to me anyhow) I challenge you to find one post out of my 800+ where I have referred to the MVs as perversions. I don't attack the MVs, I have defended the KJB against attack, but I grew tired of it.

Why is it not blasphemy to attack the KJB, is it not the word of God? You claim you attack the "myth" not the book. That may be true of you (I won't falsely accuse you as you did me) but I have seen others attack the "myth" by attacking the book. That is what I have a problem with.
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Blammo, if you will reread my post you will find that I did not accuse you of using the word "perversions" when referring to English Bible translations other than the KJV. However, that does not mean that others have not blasphemed the word of God by calling non-KJV Bibles "perversions." One such person had to edit a post recently where he falsely and blasphemously referred to MVs as "perversions." Please check your facts before you say I accused you of something when I did no such thing. I merely pointed out the truth to Dustin that there are those like yourself who falsely claim that the KJV is being attacked when it is nothing but the KJVO myth that is being attacked.

Blammo, it is blasphemy to attack the KJV as not being the word of God just as it is blasphemy to attack MVs as not being the word of God. However, I challenge you to show me anywhere on BB where I, or any other "freedom reader" standing against the KJVO myth, attacked the KJV. It is not the KJV that is being attacked, it is the KJVO myth that is being attacked and exposed for the error that it is.

Blammo, just like many of those who support the KJVO myth, it is easy for you to throw around false accusations simply because you cannot scripturally or logically support the KJVO myth. Please check your facts before you throw out these false accusations in the future. BTW, if you got tired of this as you say you did, why are you being so confronational now?
 
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Keith M

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Blammo said:
Justin,

http://www.biblebelievers.com/Gipp/answer/gipp_answer_02.html

(regarding easter)
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Justin, the linked document is merely more spin by Dr. Gipp. He is another of those who cannot truthfully support the KJVO myth no matter how hard he tries. Gipp, along with Riplinger and Ruckman, have a credibility of absolute zero. In the article Blammo linked, Gipp spends much time defending the erroneous use of "Easter" in Acts 12:4. I wonder what he has to say about all the other places where the KJV translators correctly translated the original pascha as "Passover?"
 
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Okay, Keith, you win. I did not realize I was being confontational. I apologize. I thought you were implying that I was one of those who blasphemes the word of God. I guess I was wrong. I will go away now.

I just wanted to prepare Justin for... :tonofbricks:
 
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Morning Justin,

I understand that you are a young man and that this is probably new to you, but you are almost asking for it but only posting links and not expressing your own views. Many of the sources you are linking to have long since been documented as untrustworthy at best.

I assume from the way that you are posting that you are new to online discussion boards. Only posting links is often a practice of what are called "trolls" - those who post only to cause dissension and inflame debate. I am sure that is not the case here, but that is how you are going to be perceived here if you do not start giving some of your own points of view.

As a preacher you are not going to be able to depend on what others have said or written. As of yet you have not answered a single point raised by these godly men who are trying to help. If you are going to debate with adults you will need to debate like an adult, which means you let people know your own point of view.

This thread would normally be closed because of the contentious nature of the issue and by now your posts would have begun to be deleted because you are contributing nothing yourself to the debate, but I am making allowances for your youth and inexperience.

And to the posters so far - thank you for showing a young man of God how contentious issues can be handled. Lets keep it up!
 
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Keith M

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Blammo said:
Okay, Keith, you win. I did not realize I was being confontational. I apologize. I thought you were implying that I was one of those who blasphemes the word of God. I guess I was wrong. I will go away now.
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Apology accepted, Blammo. But I was not trying to "win" anything. I was merely pointing out to Justin the error of the KJVO myth as it is "upheld" by some folks. Also I was pointing up the fact that "freedom readers" are falsely accused of attacking the KJV, and this is quite frequent here at BB. I am sorry that you misunderstood my intention for I did not intend to say or imply that it was you who was blaspheming the word of God. Blasphemy against the word of God is occasional here at BB, but it is rampant at some other discussion boards, especially those that promote the KJVO myth.
 
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Keith M

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Justin, it may seem to you that some of us are really attacking you. That is not the case at all. We are trying to show you the truth about the KJVO myth. There are those on this board and other boards as well who are so hardened by their belief in the KJVO myth that they will not accept the truth no matter how many times it is shown them. Suggestion: take the time to read through many of the threads here in the BV/T area. Read with an open mind because there is much truth to show the error of the KJVO myth. If by the time you have read many of these truths you can honestly say to yourslef that the KJVO myth is valid, then there is no one here at BB who can do anything to help you. I peay this is not the case with you, Justin. I pray the Holy Spirit will guide you as you read and learn about the errors of the KJVO myth.
 
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AntennaFarmer said:
Keith:

Please ease up some.

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Thanks again for your concern, A.F. But there is a young impressionable mind involved here leaning toward the errors of the KJVO myth. Now is the time to show him the truth before he becomes as hardened to truth as some have become (Gipp, Ripplinger, Ruckman, etc.).
 
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