KJV-only myths about the 1769

[Ed Edwards]

William S. Correa: //And why do we need 400 translations in ENGLISH?//

I know of nobody with 400 Translations.
Personally I have three different KJVs just on the bookshelves
around my computers (more on my bookshelves in the
Living room);

1. The KJV1611 Edition with the Apocropha and translator footnotes.
2. The KJV1769 Edition without any acknowledgement of what
it is, no Apocropha, no translator footnoes.
3. the KJV1873 Edtion (may be like the KJV1850 Edition)

Why did somebody perfect in 1769 the already perfect
KJB 1611 Version?

 

[Phillip]

Obviously someone had to correct the "printer's mistakes" -- not to be confused with translator's mistakes of the 100% accurate, word-for-word, comma-for-comma, period-for-period, better than the originals translations.

Get it? Its okay for a printer to make a mistake, that has no effect on that 100% accurate translation.

This is deep stuff, Ed, get with the program here.

 

[Phillip]

.........In other words, I don't get it, so will you please explain it to me?

 

[Keith M]

Philip, I think I see where Ed is going with this.

1. He is saying that he is not aware of 400 different English translations of the Bible.

2. He is pointing out the fact that there are various editions of the KJV, and the various editions do in fact contain differences.

Is that pretty much the gist of it, Ed?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Keith M:
Philip, I think I see where Ed is going with this.

1. He is saying that he is not aware of 400 different English translations of the Bible.

2. He is pointing out the fact that there are various editions of the KJV, and the various editions do in fact contain differences.

Is that pretty much the gist of it, Ed?

ON #1: I don't personally have 400 translations
of the Bible (only abou7t 3 dozen)

On #2:
Amen Brother Keith M. -- Preach it!

 

[robycop3]

And I suppose you can back all your pipes with SCRIPTURE, Mr. Correa?

 

[TCassidy]

There are less than 150 English translations and most of those were either never published or went out of print after one printing.

If you are talking about bibles published and used by a significant number of people then there are only about 18.

 

[Keith M]

Originally posted by TCassidy:
There are less than 150 English translations and most of those were either never published or went out of print after one printing.

If you are talking about bibles published and used by a significant number of people then there are only about 18.

Sounds about right, Doc!

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
William S. Correa: //And why do we need 400 translations in ENGLISH?//

I know of nobody with 400 Translations.
Personally I have three different KJVs just on the bookshelves
around my computers (more on my bookshelves in the
Living room);

1. The KJV1611 Edition with the Apocropha and translator footnotes.
2. The KJV1769 Edition without any acknowledgement of what
it is, no Apocropha, no translator footnoes.
3. the KJV1873 Edtion (may be like the KJV1850 Edition)

Why did somebody perfect in 1769 the already perfect
KJB 1611 Version?

I do!All the trial and error translations before the AV 1611 did you count them as well? and the oops Manuscripts from Alexandria and Kodex Sinusses! And aaaaalll the oops translations that got thrown in the trash that Wescott and Hort found! and later tried to pass them off as the Authentic Scriptures that ommit and completely blatently change not REVISE, but CHANGE the Word All together: After all of those there are probably 1000's.And no one likes the truth cause the truth hurts. The evidence is that we have had the copies from the earliest church fathers dating back to the 1st century and the early church at Antioch.Why Question the truth? All of you degrees will not stand up to the AV 1611. Now you that do have a pretty good education my hat is off to you! And there are no hard feeligs toward any of you . But the more I Study and think I Know something the Bible tells me I know nothing! Thanx and God Bless

 

[DesiderioDomini]

Perhaps, but the more you post, the more we understand that you are arguing from ignorance, and not truth.

You are guessing, and nothing more, which is why you have offered still not a single snibit of proof for one single claim you have made.

It's sad that you think God wants us to be so dumb. How are we to love him with our minds if we waste them? Do you actually have ANY information to add to this discussion, or have the 20 or so posts you have made so far just a brief look into the joys of ignorance? You accept the KJV by blind faith, which is great, but when the Mormon accepts the BoM by blind faith, why is he wrong and you right?

I know you wont answer, but at least others will see your dodging dishonesty.

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by DesiderioDomini:
Perhaps, but the more you post, the more we understand that you are arguing from ignorance, and not truth.

You are guessing, and nothing more, which is why you have offered still not a single snibit of proof for one single claim you have made.

It's sad that you think God wants us to be so dumb. How are we to love him with our minds if we waste them? Do you actually have ANY information to add to this discussion, or have the 20 or so posts you have made so far just a brief look into the joys of ignorance? You accept the KJV by blind faith, which is great, but when the Mormon accepts the BoM by blind faith, why is he wrong and you right?

I know you wont answer, but at least others will see your dodging dishonesty.

Speak for yourself. I know the truth and the truth has made me free. The proof is in the copies handed down from generation to generation to generation. But here comes Dr. so and ao and claims to "KNOW" the truth but it finds them Liars Every Time. The Mormons are a False Religion, for they deny the Diety of Christ as some new Modern Versions, you may not but the texts sure do.Why try to defend yourself with a Dull Switch blade against Principalities of Darkness. To have a head Knowledge of God and His Word is a lot different than Having that "HEART" Knowledge of the true and Living God, I have Answered ALL your Questions and you just Keep asking them Over And Over And Over. You sound like a Broken record. You Are still searching. The AV 1611 is a Spiritual Book Spiritually discerned, and only people who are filled with Gods Spirit will Understand what the Spirit is saying to them thru Scripture. But if is "CORRUPTED" you can search until the cows come home and be wandering Around like the Children God in the dessert in Exodus.My Point was there have been Bibles Derived Directky from the AV 1611 that are the Word of GOD, and then there are those who ARE NOT.
1 Samuel 4:9 Be strong and quit yourselves like men, O ye Philistines, that ye be not servants unto the Hebrews, as they have been to you: quit yourselves like men, and fight.

1 Corinthians 16:13 Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by DesiderioDomini:
Perhaps, but the more you post, the more we understand that you are arguing from ignorance, and not truth.

You are guessing, and nothing more, which is why you have offered still not a single snibit of proof for one single claim you have made.

It's sad that you think God wants us to be so dumb. How are we to love him with our minds if we waste them? Do you actually have ANY information to add to this discussion, or have the 20 or so posts you have made so far just a brief look into the joys of ignorance? You accept the KJV by blind faith, which is great, but when the Mormon accepts the BoM by blind faith, why is he wrong and you right?

I know you wont answer, but at least others will see your dodging dishonesty.

Speak for yourself. I know the truth and the truth has made me free. The proof is in the copies handed down from generation to generation to generation. But here comes Dr. so and ao and claims to "KNOW" the truth but it finds them Liars Every Time. The Mormons are a False Religion, for they deny the Diety of Christ as some new Modern Versions, you may not but the texts sure do.Why try to defend yourself with a Dull Switch blade against Principalities of Darkness. To have a head Knowledge of God and His Word is a lot different than Having that "HEART" Knowledge of the true and Living God, I have Answered ALL your Questions and you just Keep asking them Over And Over And Over. You sound like a Broken record. You Are still searching. The AV 1611 is a Spiritual Book Spiritually discerned, and only people who are filled with Gods Spirit will Understand what the Spirit is saying to them thru Scripture. But if is "CORRUPTED" you can search until the cows come home and be wandering Around like the Children God in the dessert in Exodus.My Point was there have been Bibles Derived Directky from the AV 1611 that are the Word of GOD, and then there are those who ARE NOT.
1 Samuel 4:9 Be strong and quit yourselves like men, O ye Philistines, that ye be not servants unto the Hebrews, as they have been to you: quit yourselves like men, and fight.

1 Corinthians 16:13 Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Originally posted by william s. correa:
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The AV 1611 is a Spiritual Book Spiritually discerned, and only people who are filled with Gods Spirit will Understand what the Spirit is saying to them thru Scripture. But if is "CORRUPTED" you can search until the cows come home and be wandering Around like the Children God in the dessert in Exodus.My Point was there have been Bibles Derived Directky from the AV 1611 that are the Word of GOD, and then there are those who ARE NOT. </font>[/QUOTE]Let's read in context, shall we?

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

V. 13 and 14 go together. I submit to you that KJVO is 'man's wisdom'. It is NOWHERE taught in the Bible. 'Spiritual discernment' is for the purpose of 'comparing spiritual things with spiritual.' What does that mean? It means what we do when we take what God has given us in His Word, be it Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, KJV English, Latin, etc... and be Bereans and SEEK the truth, then FOLLOW it even if we don't like the truth we find. If KJVO's would seek the truth out honestly they would cease to be KJVO's- or at least #4 and #5 KJVO's. (See http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/4/2672.html)

I fear that one day many will stand before the Judgement seat of Christ and find their works burned to ashes because instead of seeking out the jewels of the Word of God they will have been building on doctrines of wood, hay and stubble.

And I am very much KJV preferred, thank you.

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by Mexdeaf:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by william s. correa:
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The AV 1611 is a Spiritual Book Spiritually discerned, and only people who are filled with Gods Spirit will Understand what the Spirit is saying to them thru Scripture. But if is "CORRUPTED" you can search until the cows come home and be wandering Around like the Children God in the dessert in Exodus.My Point was there have been Bibles Derived Directky from the AV 1611 that are the Word of GOD, and then there are those who ARE NOT. </font>[/QUOTE]Let's read in context, shall we?

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

V. 13 and 14 go together. I submit to you that KJVO is 'man's wisdom'. It is NOWHERE taught in the Bible. 'Spiritual discernment' is for the purpose of 'comparing spiritual things with spiritual.' What does that mean? It means what we do when we take what God has given us in His Word, be it Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, KJV English, Latin, etc... and be Bereans and SEEK the truth, then FOLLOW it even if we don't like the truth we find. If KJVO's would seek the truth out honestly they would cease to be KJVO's- or at least #4 and #5 KJVO's. (See http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/4/2672.html)

I fear that one day many will stand before the Judgement seat of Christ and find their works burned to ashes because instead of seeking out the jewels of the Word of God they will have been building on doctrines of wood, hay and stubble.

And I am very much KJV preferred, thank you. </font>[/QUOTE]That is not only your fear but it is Bible and you are correct about the Judgement seat of Christ; I may sound like a KJVO but in fact I read in Spanish as well, so I use the Cipriano de Valera, but in English Only the KJB. I defend the KJB as the Infallible ,inerrant ,inspired Word of GOD! I have not let it become my Phylacterie, but it has become the "ONE" source I can draw life from each and every time, so I stick to my Heritage and I'll die with a KJB at My side! Thanx for your opinion And God Bless!

 

[Ed Edwards]

William S. Correa: //The AV 1611 is a Spiritual Book Spiritually discerned,
... //

Except you haven't been reading here long enough to understand
that most of us here don't know what 'AV 1611' means to you.

Like all of the 100s of translations in English, the KJV1611 Edition
(still in print) is a Spiritual Book Spiritually discerned, so your
statement is correct, we just think you have no referrent to
the term 'AV 1611'.

William S. Correa: //The Mormons are a False Religion, for they deny the Diety of Christ as some new Modern Versions, you may not but the texts sure do.//

There is no Modern Version that denies the Diety of
Christ. And if you don't have a modern version to quote from then
you can't show a specific example

 

[rbell]

William...

Ditto what Ed says...claiming an MV denies the Deity of Christ is an enormous allegation.

I'm sure that you wouldn't mind telling us the translation that does so, and give us chapter and verse.

Thanks.

 

[william s. correa]

KJV John 1:18 -- "The only begotten Son, . . . He hath declared Him."
NASV John 1:18 -- "The only begotten God, . . . He has explained Him."
NWT (Jehovah's Witness) --"The only begotten God, . . . is the one that has explained Him." The Amplified Bible -- "The only unique Son, (f), the only begotten God, . . . hath made Him known." (f) Footnote. "Supported by a great mass of ancient evidence (Vincent)." John 1:30 KJV -- "After me cometh a man which is preferred before me; for He was before me."
John 1:30 NASV -- "After me cometh a man who has a higher rank than I, for he existed before me." A footnote reads, ". . lit. has become before me."

Rom. 14:10-12 KJV -- "For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ . . . so then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."
[Copied material from another website deleted--I will leave the scripture verses.]

And many many more.

[ May 04, 2006, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]

 

[Keith M]

Originally posted by william s. correa:
The NASV once again joins with its cousin, the New World Translation of the Jehovah Witnesses, and others; to eliminate this plain statement of our Lord's Deity. They forgot to mutilate II Cor. 5:10. Which reads in the "oldest and best"? manuscripts, "the judgment seat of CHRIST" .
evidence of serous tampering with the text at this point, and is therefore an unreliable witness.

And many many more.

Are you referring to the NASB here? I don't think I would go so far as to classify the NASB and the NWT as "cousins."

The New American Standard New Testament was published in 1963. This New Testament was the work of the Lockman Foundation. The New American Standard Bible was published in 1971, with an updated version appearing in 1995. One of the goals of the translators was to build on the waning popularity of the ASV of 1901. The NASB has been highly praised for its accuracy. It maintains a literal word-for-word translation of the original texts, and has at times been accused of being a bit too literal and stiff.
- from History of the English Bible copyright 2003-2004 F. Keith Mincey

The NASB was also updated in 1995. The NASB95 is a bit easier to read than the original NASB.

The New World Translation was originally issued in six sections or volumes from 1950 to 1960. Up until 1950 the Jehovah's Witnesses mainly used either the King James Version or the American Standard Version. The NWT is published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, the publishing arm of the Jehovah.s Witnesses. Many mainline Christian denominations have rightly faulted the NWT because this version ignores many basic Bible doctrines in order to make the NWT agree with many of the non-biblical teachings fostered by the Jehovah's Witnesses.
- from History of the English Bible copyright 2003-2004 F. Keith Mincey

How is it that these two versions are "cousins?"

I frequently use the NASB and have found that it firmly supports Christ's deity. Of course, I probably wouldn't touch the NWT with a 10-foot pole as far as my own personal use. The NWT is not at all a reliable Bible version, and it should not be associated with reliable and legitimate Bible versions like the NASB, the KJV, the NKJV, etc.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by william s. correa:
KJV John 1:18 -- "The only begotten Son, . . . He hath declared Him."
NASV John 1:18 -- "The only begotten God, . . . He has explained Him."
NWT (Jehovah's Witness) --"The only begotten God, . . . is the one that has explained Him." The Amplified Bible -- "The only unique Son, (f), the only begotten God, . . . hath made Him known." (f) Footnote. "Supported by a great mass of ancient evidence (Vincent)." John 1:30 KJV -- "After me cometh a man which is preferred before me; for He was before me."
John 1:30 NASV -- "After me cometh a man who has a higher rank than I, for he existed before me." A footnote reads, ". . lit. has become before me."

Rom. 14:10-12 KJV -- "For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ . . . so then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."
[Material Directly copied from another website deleted]

You are again quoting large portions of KJVO websites without their permission. If this continues you will have to quit posting. If you wish to read the material and re-write it that is one thing, but to quote from line to line is plagerism and a copyright notice is no longer required for copyright protection.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

[ May 04, 2006, 12:42 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]

 

[robycop3]

NASV John 1:18 -- "The only begotten God, . . . He has explained Him."

Is Jesus not GOD? And how often did both Jesus and His Father call Jesus "begotten"?