KJV-only myths about the 1769

[robycop3]

Mr. Correa:the way I read it is that he was tricked into signing that decree and did not want to throw them in the fire, and if Daniel was in the Kings household I'm sure he Witnessed to Him About the true and ONE Living God.

Better read Daniel 3 again, Sir. It says Nebuchadnezzar made the image, & V 10 says HE made the decree that everyone was to bow to the image when the orchestra played.

Perhaps you're confusing this story with the events years later that led to Daniel's being thrown into the lion's den. In that case, DARIUS was tricked into signing a decree, and under the law system of the Medes & Persians, not even the king could alter any law or decree he'd signed.


Remember nebucanessar had just witnessed a Miracle and I'm sure Shadrach Explained it to him

At the time Neb made his exclamation, Shad & his companions were still in the furnace with Jesus. Again, please read Daniel 3 CAREFULLY.


and planted that seed which later got the King saved, he had to eat grass for seven years though and finnally came to his senses.

There were several seeds planted. First, when God gave Daniel the interpretation of the king's dream, the events of Daniel 3, and Daniel's later interpretation of another of the king's dreams, which warned him not to be proud, to honor & serve the REAL God.


which I hope the MV's readers will one day.

We HAVE...We don't believe the KJVO myth.

Some of us, such as I, have NEVER believed it, while others here are ex-KJVOs who have "come to their senses".

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by robycop3:
Mr. Correa:the way I read it is that he was tricked into signing that decree and did not want to throw them in the fire, and if Daniel was in the Kings household I'm sure he Witnessed to Him About the true and ONE Living God.

Better read Daniel 3 again, Sir. It says Nebuchadnezzar made the image, & V 10 says HE made the decree that everyone was to bow to the image when the orchestra played.

Perhaps you're confusing this story with the events years later that led to Daniel's being thrown into the lion's den. In that case, DARIUS was tricked into signing a decree, and under the law system of the Medes & Persians, not even the king could alter any law or decree he'd signed.


Remember nebucanessar had just witnessed a Miracle and I'm sure Shadrach Explained it to him

At the time Neb made his exclamation, Shad & his companions were still in the furnace with Jesus. Again, please read Daniel 3 CAREFULLY.


and planted that seed which later got the King saved, he had to eat grass for seven years though and finnally came to his senses.

There were several seeds planted. First, when God gave Daniel the interpretation of the king's dream, the events of Daniel 3, and Daniel's later interpretation of another of the king's dreams, which warned him not to be proud, to honor & serve the REAL God.


which I hope the MV's readers will one day.

We HAVE...We don't believe the KJVO myth.

Some of us, such as I, have NEVER believed it, while others here are ex-KJVOs who have "come to their senses".

Ok good point but even if what you say is all true; the truth is that the NASV and THE KJB are not the same, and Scripture dosent change if its the Word of God. And clearly in Daniel 3 you have just proved me right. THanx Bro!

 

[robycop3]

Mr. Correa:Ok good point but even if what you say is all true;

If you don't believe it, just simply read Daniel 3 in your own Bible.

the truth is that the NASV and THE KJB are not the same,

Never said they were. And your point is.....?

and Scripture dosent change if its the Word of God.

But the TRANSLATIONS often do, in light of many Greek or hebrew words/phrases having multiple meanings in English.

And clearly in Daniel 3 you have just proved me right. THanx Bro!

No, actually the NASV has the better rendering. Not even Daniel knew what God's Son looked like at that time, let alone a pagan king's knowing. Now while 'The Son of God' isn't an incorrect rendering, in light of OUR knowledge, "a son of a god or gods" is a better one, in light of Nebuchadnezzar's lack of knowledge about Jesus.

Sorry, Mr. Correa, a little close, but no cigar.

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by robycop3:
Mr. Correa:Ok good point but even if what you say is all true;

If you don't believe it, just simply read Daniel 3 in your own Bible.

the truth is that the NASV and THE KJB are not the same,

Never said they were. And your point is.....?

and Scripture dosent change if its the Word of God.

But the TRANSLATIONS often do, in light of many Greek or hebrew words/phrases having multiple meanings in English.

And clearly in Daniel 3 you have just proved me right. THanx Bro!

No, actually the NASV has the better rendering. Not even Daniel knew what God's Son looked like at that time, let alone a pagan king's knowing. Now while 'The Son of God' isn't an incorrect rendering, in light of OUR knowledge, "a son of a god or gods" is a better one, in light of Nebuchadnezzar's lack of knowledge about Jesus.

Sorry, Mr. Correa, a little close, but no cigar.

Even beeing pagan, as the King was; he Knew there was only One God, for the are with out excuse as the book of Romans says. THey Knew Him as God but Did not Glorify Him as God< Cigar Time!

 

[william s. correa]

I dont SMOKE any more Thank God!

 

[Askjo]

Daniel 3 in the KJV said, "the Son of God" because the King saw a real person chatting with 3 men in furance.

Daniel 3 in the MVs said, the son of gods because the King saw him as a "stone" that he called, "son of gods.

 

[TCassidy]

Originally posted by Askjo:
Daniel 3 in the KJV said, "the Son of God" because the King saw a real person chatting with 3 men in furance.

Daniel 3 in the MVs said, the son of gods because the King saw him as a "stone" that he called, "son of gods.

Askjo, if you would actually read the bible you claim to believe you would know that Nebuchadnezzar explains who he saw in the furnace in verse 28. "Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants . . . "

To Nebuchadnezzar the angel appeared to him to be "a son of the gods."

 

[robycop3]

Askjo:Daniel 3 in the KJV said, "the Son of God" because the King saw a real person chatting with 3 men in furance. [Smile]

But he had NO IDEA who this 4th person was. He was describing what he LOOKED LIKE.

Daniel 3 in the MVs said, the son of gods because the King saw him as a "stone" that he called, "son of gods. [Roll Eyes]

Actually, the MVs are more correct because Neb had little idea who the REAL GOD was, let alone what His Son looked like. He just knew this Being was more than a man. Doc Cas reminds you who Neb thought he'd seen, in V 28.

 

[Eliyahu]

I think Nebuchadnezzar heard about God, Elohim thru Daniel. Moreover Daniel's 3 friends are explaining about the God in verse 3:17.
That's why they were cast into furnace.
There was a certain understanding about Son of God already before. For example Proverb 30:4 talks about Son of God.
I interpret this as the Pre-incarnate Son of God or Malack ( not el or elohim).
One problem with Enlglish translation is that both Elohim and Malack are translated as one word, angel(s)
Only Malack claimed that He is God ( Genesis 31:11-13)and they are totally different beings.
When the angel said " I am God" ( Genesis 31:13) it should have been denoted as other word than angel.
This type of deity is shown several times.
The expression " like unto" should be interpretted as the same usage as Rev 1:13, 14:14.

 

[DesiderioDomini]

Ok good point but even if what you say is all true; the truth is that the NASV and THE KJB are not the same, and Scripture dosent change if its the Word of God. And clearly in Daniel 3 you have just proved me right. THanx Bro!

If scripture does not change, then why did the KJV change?

Simple question, just answer it.

 

[DesiderioDomini]

Even beeing pagan, as the King was; he Knew there was only One God, for the are with out excuse as the book of Romans says. THey Knew Him as God but Did not Glorify Him as God< Cigar Time!

My word, you really dont have the first clue do you? The Pagans SHOULD know, but many of them DONT know because they WONT know. TRUTH doesnt change what one person understands is truth. Does the fact that there is no Santa Claus change the fact that as a 4 year old I KNEW there was one?

No.

Please keep posting, however. The longer you post, the easier disproving KJVO is! I cant wait til one of the KJVO asks you to stop posting! Its not far off!!!!

 

[DesiderioDomini]

quote:Originally posted by Askjo:
Daniel 3 in the KJV said, "the Son of God" because the King saw a real person chatting with 3 men in furance. [Smile]

Daniel 3 in the MVs said, the son of gods because the King saw him as a "stone" that he called, "son of gods. [Roll Eyes]

Askjo, if you would actually read the bible you claim to believe you would know that Nebuchadnezzar explains who he saw in the furnace in verse 28. "Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants . . . "

To Nebuchadnezzar the angel appeared to him to be "a son of the gods."

Man, they will say ANYTHING to try and defend this myth......

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by robycop3:
Askjo:Daniel 3 in the KJV said, "the Son of God" because the King saw a real person chatting with 3 men in furance. [Smile]

But he had NO IDEA who this 4th person was. He was describing what he LOOKED LIKE.

Daniel 3 in the MVs said, the son of gods because the King saw him as a "stone" that he called, "son of gods. [Roll Eyes]

Actually, the MVs are more correct because He just knew this Being was more than a man. Doc Cas reminds you who Neb thought he'd seen, in V 28.

Sounds to me neither does most of the world or most of the people who read the MV's with that kind of statement: "Neb had little idea who the REAL GOD was, let alone what His Son looked like".there is only One God but they chose to be pagan there are no excuses! Sound just like the New Church not sure what is what!

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by DesiderioDomini:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Even beeing pagan, as the King was; he Knew there was only One God, for the are with out excuse as the book of Romans says. THey Knew Him as God but Did not Glorify Him as God&lt; Cigar Time!

My word, you really dont have the first clue do you? The Pagans SHOULD know, but many of them DONT know because they WONT know. TRUTH doesnt change what one person understands is truth. Does the fact that there is no Santa Claus change the fact that as a 4 year old I KNEW there was one?

No.

Please keep posting, however. The longer you post, the easier disproving KJVO is! I cant wait til one of the KJVO asks you to stop posting! Its not far off!!!! </font>[/QUOTE]My point exactly there is No santa clause, just like the are no other translations in english that can stand up to the Av 1611 and just like there are not Many gods. I'm sure the One world religion is just around the corner and I'm sure I'll be Martyred for Standing Firm on the AV 1611. Bro!

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by DesiderioDomini:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />

Ok good point but even if what you say is all true; the truth is that the NASV and THE KJB are not the same, and Scripture dosent change if its the Word of God. And clearly in Daniel 3 you have just proved me right. THanx Bro!

If scripture does not change, then why did the KJV change?

Simple question, just answer it. </font>[/QUOTE]Wher did it change from Gods Spoken Word! the only thing that has changed is other versions! not Gods Word, for He is Inmmutable. I'm saying there are no changes, no errors , no oops,like ALL of the MV's Have! Sorry, but the truth will make you free! Some body say Amen!

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
I think Nebuchadnezzar heard about God, Elohim thru Daniel. Moreover Daniel's 3 friends are explaining about the God in verse 3:17.
That's why they were cast into furnace.
There was a certain understanding about Son of God already before. For example Proverb 30:4 talks about Son of God.
I interpret this as the Pre-incarnate Son of God or Malack ( not el or elohim).
One problem with Enlglish translation is that both Elohim and Malack are translated as one word, angel(s)
Only Malack claimed that He is God ( Genesis 31:11-13)and they are totally different beings.
When the angel said " I am God" ( Genesis 31:13) it should have been denoted as other word than angel.
This type of deity is shown several times.
The expression " like unto" should be interpretted as the same usage as Rev 1:13, 14:14.

thank you , NEXT!

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by TCassidy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Askjo:
Daniel 3 in the KJV said, "the Son of God" because the King saw a real person chatting with 3 men in furance.

Daniel 3 in the MVs said, the son of gods because the King saw him as a "stone" that he called, "son of gods.

Askjo, if you would actually read the bible you claim to believe you would know that Nebuchadnezzar explains who he saw in the furnace in verse 28. "Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants . . . "

To Nebuchadnezzar the angel appeared to him to be "a son of the gods." </font>[/QUOTE]

: Not

 

[TCassidy]

Originally posted by william s. correa:
Not

Well, folks, you heard it here first. william s. correa says that verse 28. "Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants . . . " is Not the word of God as found in the KJV. He says verse 28 is Not true in the KJV. It was bound to happen. First he denies that any bible except the KJV is the word of God and now he has taken the next step and denied the KJV is the word of God. How utterly sad.

 

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by TCassidy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by william s. correa:
Not

Well, folks, you heard it here first. william s. correa says that verse 28. "Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants . . . " is Not the word of God as found in the KJV. He says verse 28 is Not true in the KJV. It was bound to happen. First he denies that any bible except the KJV is the word of God and now he has taken the next step and denied the KJV is the word of God. How utterly sad. </font>[/QUOTE]Sure it does just not the NASB. The claping and thumbs up was the "NOT" that i meant to satire your comment. you can't compare the KJB to the NASB No way, no how !

 

[Rev. Lowery]

I dont know about anyone else here but it seems odd that only in the last ohhhh 100 years have all the differant non based KJV translations happened now I wonder why that is ??????

Heres something better without the TR what do you base a translation on??????

What did the NIV, NASB, The Message, ETC. authors base there translation on??????

I wonder these things ohhhhh and all versions other than AV 1611 remove the deity of Christ and important doctornal scripture so why would I want to read another version thats wrong????

Just some of my thoughts !!!

OH and AMEN william s. correa I am late but AMEN

ohhhhhhhhh PSS The Daniel 3 debate who do you think knows better the ppl that saw and held the actual scriptures or the ppl that base a version on there own intellect based on there opinion of a translation.