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KJVo Refuse to Answer

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Phillip, Dec 18, 2004.

  1. LarryN

    LarryN New Member

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    I invite you to show me the way Granny.

    For example, please elaborate on your quote from my last post. How exactly is the KJV the exact equivalent of the Scriptures available to Peter and Paul (regardless of the language issues), when their deaths preceded the inspiration & writing of the final book of the New Testament?

    Time machine, perhaps?
     
  2. Gwyneth

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    "I have faith that the perfect Author of this perfect Book has been there all thru' the ages, preserving His very words so that even a worm such as I might know the one true God as He is revealed in the Holy Bible. What a comfort! "


    You are not alone Granny. AMEN to your words above.
    Gwyneth
     
  3. GrannyGumbo

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    Do I understand electricity? Newp! But it doesn't stop me from flipping the lightswitch...do I understand the things of God? Only by what I read in my Bible...and if I didn't have FAITH in that, then I'd be adrift in a sea of confusion. How else does one know WHO Jesus is and how He tells us to live, unless they trust their Bible? Never have I ever desired to doubt it for one single second that this Book is God's true and most perfect word.
     
  4. LarryN

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    I say a hearty "AMEN" to these words of Granny's as well. They neither excuse nor explain away any faulty claims, however. Will you next claim that Moses, or Adam, possessed the complete Canon of Scripture as we possess it today?
     
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    Granny, while I don't always agree with you, you have always been a blessing to my heart in the way you respond. May we all be as gracious, or at least try to remember, we are not the enemies of each other. [​IMG] God bless you, dear sister!
     
  6. Johnv

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    Many here love the KJV, and rightly so. Those who truly love the KJV must take a firm stand to defend it staunchly from the destructive and devidive false doctrine of KJVOism. Look at how many on this board have bought into that deception. We must continue to love and support them as Christian brothers and sisters, but we must also pray for them.
     
  7. GrannyGumbo

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    When one truly loves the kjv, they do not think in terms of kjvoism/false doctrine, nor do they start thread after thread after thread...well, as it's been said, defending it staunchly... I take a firm stand that the Bible I have faith in is the true and perfect word of God.
     
  8. Gregory Perry Sr.

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    :rolleyes: :eek:
     
  9. David J

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    I see that the questions still go unanswered....


    Yes Gregory we will stand before the Master. How will KJVOist who have slandered the Word and divided the brethren feel when they stand before the Master?

    My former KJVO pastor copped out on me by saying,” you believe what you believe and one day you will stand before the judgment seat" basically it was like I was a sinner because I am no longer a KJVO. What was my error? Researching the facts and asking why do we call ourselves 1611 when we don’t even use the 1611 KJV?

    The problem for KJVOist is that they can not answer these types of questions. It is very frustrating for the KJVO because they can not give real answers simply because they have no answers. This is why KJVOist must resort to the "emotional" reasoning and the worse of the bunch resort to name calling and personal attacks. As a former KJVOist I know what it's like to struggle with KJVOism when facts are presented that proves KJVOism to be modern liberalism that was started by a cultist and spread by two dishonest Baptist preachers. Yes, I fought with the facts for about a year before I dropped KJVOism completely. KJVOism can not answer these questions. All KJVOism can do is create more confusion, redo history, promote the same emotional reasoning that every Mormon missionary promotes when asked to prove Mormonism, divide, ignore, and basically rebel against some well documented facts concerning the history of the English bible and the origins of the liberalism known as KJVOism.

    Sorry if this comes across hard but it’s the honest truth.
     
  10. gb93433

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    "And He said to him, " `You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

    So where does the KJV fit in?

    On my first day pastoring my first church a man said in Sunday School, "Do you know why the world is going to hell? It's because they don't read the King James Bible." Is that KJVO?
     
  11. GrannyGumbo

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    "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

    Where does the kjBible fit in? You tell me. (answer: Jesus)

    In all my years of fellowshipping with the brethren from all walks of life, I've never once heard anyone say a person is going to hell for not reading the kjBible. I have heard it said that the only thing that sends one to hell is their rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
     
  12. gb93433

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    Consider the following verses.

    Prov. 26:16, “The sluggard is wiser in his own eyes Than seven men who can give a discreet answer. “

    Prov. 25:11,12, “Like apples of gold in settings of silver Is a word spoken in right circumstances. Like an earring of gold and an ornament of fine gold Is a wise reprover to a listening ear.”

    There is no reproof without a listening ear.

    Prov 10:14, “ Wise men store up knowledge, But with the mouth of the foolish, ruin is at hand.”

    Prov 15:7, “The lips of the wise spread knowledge, But the hearts of fools are not so.”

    Prov 18:15, “The mind of the prudent acquires knowledge, And the ear of the wise seeks knowledge.”

    Prov 29:9, “When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, The foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.”
     
  13. gb93433

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    My point was that no place does scripture teach to love any Bible but to love God. One who reads the Bible does not necessarily love God. False teachers know the Bible but do not love God. But of course one who love God yearns for His Word.

    Be glad that you have never met such troublemakers. One is too many. They are poison.
     
  14. GrannyGumbo

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    That's right...I love God and I yearn for his truths as taught only in His true and perfect word. This Book is all I have of Him...the only thing I have to know what He has to say as to how I should live my life and He's never failed me. Forty years to the same man, together we raised 6 children...each one of them are saved, praise God!

    I've met troublemakers, but I'm also sure in what/whom I believed and therefore their fiery darts don't hurt me. You shouldn't let it either.
     
  15. Ed Edwards

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    I believe He didn't stop in 1769.
    For us who live in 2005 He has given us
    the perfect Bible:
    The Christian Standard Bible (Holman, 2003).

    Romans 10:9 (HCSB = The Holman Christian Standard Bible):
    if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus
    is Lord," and believe in your heart
    that God raised Him from the dead,
    you will be saved.


    52 years and nine months ago i first
    called Jesus my Lord and he became my
    Savior as well. Amen?
     
  16. Phillip

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    Granny, while I don't always agree with you, you have always been a blessing to my heart in the way you respond. May we all be as gracious, or at least try to remember, we are not the enemies of each other. [​IMG] God bless you, dear sister! </font>[/QUOTE]Right or wrong on the issue, Granny wants to meet all of us in exactly 271 years, down on the West side of the river of life, just South of 2nd Street (You know, the second transparent gold express highway.) Where she can spank us all with her new golden rolling pin; for fussing at each other here. :eek: [​IMG]

    I can't speak for others, but I know Granny will be there and so will I. THAT'S the GREAT part ain't it Granny! [​IMG]
     
  17. Phillip

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    Greg Sr., we may fuss and we may disagree, but I can accept what you say without doubt. I have NEVER doubted the KJV as an accurate and undeniably inerrant Word-of-God.

    Although, I cannot accept word-for-word exactness, based on the fact that it is simply impossible to translate Greek to English, Word-for-Word, I know for certain that you are definitely holding God's Word in your hands. (And I think in the spirit of Christian love and fellowship we can agree to disagree on this if we have to.)

    That being said, I can honestly say that with it, you cannot go wrong.

    I have often been harsh on you and for that I appologize. You have kept a Christian attitude throughout, which is more than I can say for myself.

    God bless you!
    Phillip
     
  18. Phillip

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    I believe He didn't stop in 1769.
    For us who live in 2005 He has given us
    the perfect Bible:
    The Christian Standard Bible (Holman, 2003).

    Romans 10:9 (HCSB = The Holman Christian Standard Bible):
    if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus
    is Lord," and believe in your heart
    that God raised Him from the dead,
    you will be saved.


    52 years and nine months ago i first
    called Jesus my Lord and he became my
    Savior as well. Amen?
    </font>[/QUOTE]I have to agree with you Ed, but I like my perfect Word-of-God in the ESV translation a little better. ...just my opinion.

    Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
    ESV
     
  19. Gregory Perry Sr.

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    [​IMG] :rolleyes: Thank you Bro.Phillip.It is ALWAYS a good thing when the fruits of the Holy Spirit spring forth in our lives.All the fussing and fighting we so often see has little real value and it certainly does nothing for the testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ when the "world" witnesses it on a public forum.It is okay to disagree as long as we do it with grace and it is a fact that one day our Lord will straighten things out.

    Galatians 5:22-26

    Greg Sr. [​IMG]
     
  20. Gregory Perry Sr.

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    :rolleyes: :eek: Bro.Ed....I won't repeat all the extensive "quoting" above.....but would that be the same "perfect"Holman Christian Standard Bible that leaves the BLOOD of our Lord Jesus Christ completely OUT of Colossians 1:14?????Just curious....! ;) :eek:

    Greg Sr. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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