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targus

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menageriekeeper said:
Endorsing the rule of the Pharohs: Gen 39, when He saw to it that Egypt had a man like Joseph to keep them from the famine that was affecting the country and those countries that surrounded it.
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The Pharohs actually saved the grain that they collected to have to distribute when it was needed.

Our government on the other hand spends far more than they collect every year and are promising more of the same.

Why would a Christian advocate giving even more money to such a poor stewart?

Especially when they are advocating that other people do the giving to the government?
 
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targus said:
Nope, you guess wrong.

I am simply not boasting as you are want to do.

So it seems the laugh is on you. :laugh:
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Boasting of your modesty I see. :laugh:

Well, do not ask others questions you do not want to answer in return. So answer the question, "What have you done for the poor lately"? I will not consider it boasting, just informing.
 
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targus said:
The Pharohs actually saved the grain that they collected to have to distribute when it was needed.

Our government on the other hand spends far more than they collect every year and are promising more of the same.

Why would a Christian advocate giving even more money to such a poor stewart?

Especially when they are advocating that other people do the giving to the government?
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We were running a budget surplus until your hero was elected in 2000. I guess he was a very poor steward. He started the first stimulus package. The economy went to pot under his watch. Very poor manager and steward ... bad combination
 
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targus

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Crabtownboy said:
We were running a budget surplus until your hero was elected in 2000. I guess he was a very poor steward. He started the first stimulus package. The economy went to pot under his watch. Very poor manager and steward ... bad combination
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When did I ever say that Bush was my hero?

You have a very bad habit of putting words in other peoples' mouths.

And how does your statement justify giving more money to the poor stewarts currently in office?
 
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targus

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Crabtownboy said:
Boasting of your modesty I see. :laugh:

Well, do not ask others questions you do not want to answer in return. So answer the question, "What have you done for the poor lately"? I will not consider it boasting, just informing.
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Between 35 and 40% in a normal year.
 
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menageriekeeper said:
Let me see:

Endorsing the rule of the Pharohs: Gen 39, when He saw to it that Egypt had a man like Joseph to keep them from the famine that was affecting the country and those countries that surrounded it.
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Glad you brought that up. You see a 20% tax rate and people encouraged to set up their own stores. Not a hint of socialism, and prosperity abounded. Hardly an endorsement of the Pharoh.

Which statement haven't I disproved? The one where you ask if God approves of governments forcing the taxes from people's pockets? Yeah, I addresssed that. Christ said to render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and paid His taxes!
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Yeah, after he took the coin from a fish's mouth. Where does he say to take another person's coat and clothe the poor with it ?

What government did God originally give Isreal? Why don't you explain it to me? While you are at it, why don't you explain how that government dealt with its poor. Its in there, are you up to the challenge?
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Sure. The original plan was for every man to do what was right in his own sight, and twelve judges kept the peace. Back then the lazy didn't eat. People who didn't do their share were not cared for at the expense of those who did.
 
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menageriekeeper

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Yeah, after he took the coin from a fish's mouth. Where does he say to take another person's coat and clothe the poor with it ?
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Yeah, okay. So I guess the government is stealing from us all huh? I can think of a few other countries where the tax rate is lower and the poor take care of themselves. Whyn't you go live there?

I'll tell you why. Because mostly, while you are complaining about how bad we have it that we have to pay all this money out while the government wastes it, your conscience wouldn't allow you to live in a place where you saw half naked children running the streets eating whatever trash or crumbs they could find, even though their parents are to lazy or to ignorant to be able to find enough work to provide them with better.

You might not like paying taxes. You might not like this president (don't care for him myself, but an honest man will admit he didn't cause this mess). But there is no way YOU can prove from scripture that our government shouldn't try to provide what it can for those in need. If ya can, I'd like to hear it.

And while you is at it, ya think Pharaoh caught any slack for selling all that grain to those Hebrew boys who didn't have the foresight to put up for a potential natural diaster?
 
Bro. Curtis

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menageriekeeper said:
Yeah, okay. So I guess the government is stealing from us all huh? I can think of a few other countries where the tax rate is lower and the poor take care of themselves. Whyn't you go live there?
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That's a misrepresentation of what I said, and it's silly. I won't address it.

I'll tell you why. Because mostly, while you are complaining about how bad we have it that we have to pay all this money out while the government wastes it, your conscience wouldn't allow you to live in a place where you saw half naked children running the streets eating whatever trash or crumbs they could find, even though their parents are to lazy or to ignorant to be able to find enough work to provide them with better.
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We'll be there, soon enough, ifthis garbage isn't stopped.

You might not like paying taxes. You might not like this president (don't care for him myself, but an honest man will admit he didn't cause this mess). But there is no way YOU can prove from scripture that our government shouldn't try to provide what it can for those in need. If ya can, I'd like to hear it.
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An honest man would admit it is liberalism in general that put us here. Clinton, Bush, & Obama, all driving us to hell on the road paved with good intentions. Andon the other hand, you cannot prove to me, from scipture, that confiscatory tax rates ever fed one hungry child. Yet I showed you where a fair tax did.

And while you is at it, ya think Pharaoh caught any slack for selling all that grain to those Hebrew boys who didn't have the foresight to put up for a potential natural diaster?
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Good question. Did he ?
 
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Of the Twelve Disciples, we heard expressed concern for the poor from Judas most of all, and he was a thief.
 
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The poor you will always have with you. The commandment is for you to deal your bread to the poor, not to forcibly take the bread of someone else (i.e. steal) and deal that to the poor.
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Taxes aren't stealing. What you fail to realize is that social programs benefit everyone because a healthy, educated society is good for all. A high tide raises all boats.
 
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OK, I've decided a healthy position is between Aaron and CTB. As long as I'm a looong way from both, I should be fine.
 
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