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Leaning Calvinist, Push me in, or Pull me back

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glad4mercy

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Iconoclast said:
look...let me simplify it...Eph 1

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,


This is speaking of ALL the Sheep....that will be found on the last day.
IT does not use the word sheep here.....but that is who it is speaking of...

SHEEP equals Believers
believers are elect sheep, Wheat,
sheep equals wheat
wheat equals believers
Sheep are adopted as Children
Wheat are adopted as Children
the Elect are adopted
These persons each and everyone will, be found In saving union IN Christ...

Goats are not...they are not included in any of this...we do not jump back and forth...from goat to sheep, sheep to goat...no.....
The good shepherd seeks and saves All his sheep...

I asked you for one verse where Jesus delares he is seeking goats?
or that he died for goats...just one.
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I gave several because goats are included in "all men", and "any" etc. Do you want me to deal with Hebrews 2 next? I will try to get to it tommorow.

Plus, I did a little thing on Romans 9 in another thread. It is not all the way fleshed out because I was waiting for objections (which I am ready for). Come discuss on that one too if u want
 
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glad4mercy

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Iconoclast said:
what post did I mention the lost sheep parable?

where is the verse where people are speaking of getting goats saved?
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Iconoclast said:
what post did I mention the lost sheep parable?

where is the verse where people are speaking of getting goats saved?
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You alluded to it in post 114. Jesus seeks and "finds" the sheep. This is a clear allusion to Luke 15, parable of the lost sheep, is it not.

Where is it spoken of where goats get saved? Nowhere. Because Goats do not listen to His voice or follow Him. Yet it DOES NOT SAY that they are goats because God excluded them. They are goats because they excluded God.

This is not man-centered. Because it is God alone who saves without any merit of our own. But GOD DOES NOT CONDEMN a man WITHOUT MERIT.

Anyone who is saved gets what he does not deserve. Anyone who is damned gets JUST WHAT he deserved.

So it is not doomed from the womb. It is doomed because of unbelief.

If you can agree with me on this, it will be good enough for me.

Good discussion. Thanks
 
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