glad4mercy
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glad4mercy,
Did you have a relapse? Eph2...describes a sheep who was lost, being found by God...verses 1-3 show what the lost sheeps condidtion was...EVEN AS OTHERS....Vs 4 gives the complete reason for the change
BUT GOD WHO IS RICH IN MERCY
If you cannot grasp this....you will not get any of the rest.Take a deep breath and reread this whole passage.
Also....they do not believe jn10:26...they do not want to....
those who never even know of Jesus will be their because they sin , in thought,word ,and deed.....many never hear the name of Jesus, to believe it or not...but they all sin....everyday.
quote- because they are not sheep....so they do not believe, they do not want to believe, and they never will believe, because they love their sin.
Even as others....eph2:3
Your post did....not in those words, but you said God made them goats, or some such thing
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Which post did I say that in?
Oh..but I do believe it indeed...it is just that I understand what it means..it does not say...every...MAN....it says this;
Pink: Hebrews commentary;
"For every man." This rendering is quite misleading. "Anthropos," the Greek word for "man" is not in the verse at all. Thus, one of the principal texts relied upon by Arminians in their unscriptural contention for a general atonement vanishes into thin air. The Revised Version places the word "man" in italics to show that it is not found in the original. The Greek is "panta" and signifies "every one,"
that is, every one of those who form the subjects of the whole passage—every one of "the heirs of salvation" (Heb. 1:14), every one of the "sons" (Heb. 2:10), every one of the "brethren" (Heb. 2:11). We may say that this is the view of the passage taken by Drs. Gouge and J. Brown, by Saphir, and a host of others who might be mentioned. Theologically it is demanded by the "tasted death for every one," i.e., substitutionally, in the room of, that they might not. Hence, every one for whom He tasted death shall themselves never do so (see John 8:52), and this is true only of the people of God
Hebrews 2:9, 'Taste Death For Everyone'
or here...the context determines who is in view...
Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, becauseof the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. (NASB: Lockman)
Greek: ton de brachu ti par' aggelous elattomenon (RPPMSA) blepomen (1PPAI) Iesoun dia to pathematou thanatou doce kai time estephanomenon, (RPPMSA) hopos chariti theou huper pantos geusetai(3SAMS) thanatou.
Young's Literal: and him who was made some little less than messengers we see -- Jesus -- because of the suffering of the death, with glory and honour having been crowned, that by the grace of God for every one he might taste of death.
you totally missed the whole point again.
Just...everything,lol
This passage defines who is in view from verse 9-16....the elect seed of Abraham.....not all of Adams descendants....get it yet?
The Greek verb here translated "He took on" or "laid hold" is found elsewhere in some very striking connections. It is used of Christ’s stretching out His hand and rescuing sinking Peter, Matthew 14:31, there rendered "caught." It is used of Christ when He "took" the blind man by the hand (Mark 8:23). So of the man sick of the dropsy. He "took" and healed him (Luke 14:4). Here in Hebrews 2:16 the reference is to the almighty power and invincible grace of the Captain of our salvation. It receives illustration in those words of the apostle’s where, referring to his own conversion, he said, "for which also I am (was) apprehended (laid hold) of Christ Jesus" (Phil. 3:12). Thus it was and still is with each of God’s elect. In themselves, lost, rushing headlong to destruction; when Christ stretches forth His hand and delivers, so that of each it may be said, "Is not this a brand plucked from the burning" (Zech. 3:2). "Laid hold of" so securely that none can pluck out of His hand! But not only does our verse emphasize the invincibility of Divine grace, it also plainly teaches the absolute sovereignty of it. Christ lays hold not of "the seed of Adam," all mankind, but only "the seed of Abraham"—the father of God’s elect people.
So you jump back and forth between Hebrews 2:9 and John 10 then jump over to Luke 15 and mash them all together, completely ignoring contexts, purpose of the various passages, etc. just take a couple words from here and stick them over there and then add this little piece from here and we got John 10 somehow transposed with Hebrews 2, so now we apply seed of Abraham to John 10, and lost sheep in Luke 15 negates Jesus' statement in John 10 that His sheep listen to His voice and follow Him
Luke 15 is a parable, and I already expained the purpose of that parable, which purpose you completely ignore in your exegesis...
Hey, let's do this right. Instead of turning the Bible into a gholash of take part of this passage and shoehorn it in to this passage, which is TERRIBLE exegesis, let's go though one passage at a time. Which do you want to do first? John 10, Hebrews 2, or some other? How about Luke 15, since you seem to have missed the whole point of that chapter? I'll let you start if you want to do it
And your claim that I said God made people goats is an abhorrent lie. Go back and read my post again.
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that is a typical non response by you, because you have nothing on this...