Learn In Depth Roman Catholic Theology in One Minute Seventeen Seconds

[Walter]

:laugh: When I was growing up and in school, we were served fish on fridays because of the Catholics who were not allowed to eat meat on that day. Then somewhere along the line the Pope decided it was not a sin anymore to eat meat on friday and lo and behold, we were served burgers. There have been several such changes of mind by the various Popes. Seems they cannot agree with one another either.

Catholics still observe abstinance on Fridays. "It is a traditional doctrine of Christian spirituality that a constituent part of repentance, of turning away from sin and back to God, includes some form of penance, without which the Christian is unlikely to remain on the narrow path and be saved (Jer. 18:11, 25:5; Ez. 18:30, 33:11-15; Joel 2:12; Mt. 3:2; Mt. 4:17; Acts 2:38). Christ Himself said that His disciples would fast once He had departed (Lk. 5:35). The general law of penance, therefore, is part of the law of God for man."

The Church for her part has specified certain forms of penance, both to ensure that the Catholic will do something, as required by divine law, while making it easy for Catholics to fulfill the obligation. So the 1983 Code of Canon Law specifies the obligations of Latin Rite Catholics [Eastern Rite Catholics have their own penitential practices as specified by the Code of Canons for the Eastern Churches].

 

[Amy.G]

Walter, what does all that have to do with the Pope changing his mind about eating meat on Friday? It was once wrong, now it isn't. God's word does not change, but men do.

 

[Walter]

AiC:

Baptist Scandals

These are just a few of the Baptist sex abuse and cover-up scandals that received more extensive press coverage. You can see more stories about individual perpetrators on the News page. But whether a scandal is big or little, clergy sex abuse always carries a huge human cost.

“The world is too dangerous to live in -
not because of the people who do evil but because of the people who sit and let it happen.”
Albert Einstein

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/twiceblind/BGCT.html



http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/bellevue

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/gilyard_and_patterson.html

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/twiceblind/FBCFarmersBranch.html

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/greenwood.html

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/sbc_ministers.html

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/westside_victory_baptist.html

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/trinity
Southmont Baptist Church, in Denton, TX

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/southmont
Westside Victory Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX

Please don't continue to tell me about how 'we always turn them over to the police'. There is example after example of just how that is absolutely not true. This is just a few examples of Baptists covering up sex abuse scandals. I notice my old church didn't make the list but it sure qualifies for it. The filth in my Baptist church not only covered it up but continually lied about it until they were exposed. Then and only then they 'repented'.

 

[DHK]

AiC:

Baptist Scandals

These are just a few of the Baptist sex abuse and cover-up scandals that received more extensive press coverage. You can see more stories about individual perpetrators on the News page. But whether a scandal is big or little, clergy sex abuse always carries a huge human cost.

“The world is too dangerous to live in -
not because of the people who do evil but because of the people who sit and let it happen.”
Albert Einstein

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/twiceblind/BGCT.html



http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/bellevue

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/gilyard_and_patterson.html

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/twiceblind/FBCFarmersBranch.html

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/greenwood.html

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/sbc_ministers.html

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/westside_victory_baptist.html

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/trinity
Southmont Baptist Church, in Denton, TX

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/scandals/southmont
Westside Victory Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX

Please don't continue to tell me about how 'we always turn them over to the police'. There is example after example of just how that is absolutely not true. This is just a few examples of Baptists covering up sex abuse scandals. I notice my old church didn't make the list but it sure qualifies for it. The filth in my Baptist church not only covered it up but continually lied about it until they were exposed. Then and only then they 'repented'.

Your websites are bogus. I don't know what you are talking about. Any person that has been involved in any kind of scandal is automatically disqualified from the ministry. He can't even pastor a church any longer. And yes, he is turned over to the police. I don't know what kind of churches you are referencing, but they are not the kind of churches I would go to. There are churches that wear the name Baptist and have a homosexual as a pastor. We had one such man as a member here for a short time. I don't consider them Baptist, but they have the name. I can't do anything about it. I can't do anything about the practices about some churches. The churches that I associate with are in complete compliance with both the Bible and the law. According to the Bible they are immediately disqualified form being pastor. According to the law, they are criminals, and dealt with as such. According to the Vatican they are moved to another parish.

 

[Walter]

Walter, what does all that have to do with the Pope changing his mind about eating meat on Friday? It was once wrong, now it isn't. God's word does not change, but men do.

Do you even know what your are talking about when you say 'the Pope changing his mind about eating meat on Friday'? Are you trying to say that the pope changed a dogma or that not eating meat on Friday was an 'infallible' teaching of the Church? Are you also saying that abstaining from meat on Friday was the only way one could keep the Friday abstinance requirement in the entire Catholic world? Would it surprise you that the Bishops conferences decide what is required to keep the Friday abstinance requirement and that may be actually 'adding prayers' or 'alms giving' or some other requirement? Would it surprise you to know that in my diocese the bishop decides what is required for abstinance and not the pope? Would it surprise you if I were to tell you that in most parts of Mexico, abstaining from meat and eating fish would not be a sacrifice (price and scarcity of fish) so other types of abstinance are in place?

 

[Fred's Wife]

Walter,

Does listing all the Baptist "scandals" somehow "justify" all the "scandals" in the RCC? Do two wrongs make a "right"?

 

[Walter]

Your websites are bogus. I don't know what you are talking about. Any person that has been involved in any kind of scandal is automatically disqualified from the ministry. He can't even pastor a church any longer. And yes, he is turned over to the police. I don't know what kind of churches you are referencing, but they are not the kind of churches I would go to. There are churches that wear the name Baptist and have a homosexual as a pastor. We had one such man as a member here for a short time. I don't consider them Baptist, but they have the name. I can't do anything about it. I can't do anything about the practices about some churches. The churches that I associate with are in complete compliance with both the Bible and the law. According to the Bible they are immediately disqualified form being pastor. According to the law, they are criminals, and dealt with as such. According to the Vatican they are moved to another parish.

I commend you for not associating with any church that would behave as the churches and pastors of the links I listed. I also commend any church that behaves in compliance with the bible and the law in cases of sex abuse. I wish my former church would have done so. I began attending an Ev. Free church after the elders refused to admit wrong doing and cover up for so long.

However, to say that the Catholic Church continues to move sexual predators from parish to parish would be speculation on your part. I don't believe anything like that is going on in my diocese, but that is speculation as well.

 

[Walter]

Walter,

Does listing all the Baptist "scandals" somehow "justify" all the "scandals" in the RCC? Do two wrongs make a "right"?

Never said it did. I was responding to those who would continue to bring up the past sexual abuse cases in the Catholic Church as if nothing like that ever goes on in Baptist churches.

 

[The Biblicist]

Never said it did. I was responding to those who would continue to bring up the past sexual abuse cases in the Catholic Church as if nothing like that ever goes on in Baptist churches.

The bottom line is that Rome preaches "another gospel" and is led by "another spirit" and believes in "another Jesus" than what the Bible teaches.

Neither you, TS or any other Catholic advocate on this forum has been able to respond intelligently to my post on Romans 4:6-8 and the Catholic Church Catechism about circumcision.

Abraham is the New Testament mold for defining justification by faith in regard to:

1. Works - Rom. 4:1-6
2. Ordinances - Rom. 4:9-12
3. Mosiac Law keeping - Romans 4:13-15
4. Definition of justifying faith - Romans 4:16-21

Romans 4:6-12 completely dismantles the whole Roman Catholic doctrine of Sacramentalism and denies that "sign" and "seal" external rites have any sacramental value whatsover as he already "HAD" the righteousness of justification BEFORE he was circumised and thus was justified WITHOUT external divine rites.

He was already justified by faith in the gospel (Gal. 3:6-8) BEFORE he left Ur of the Chaldees as Genesis 12:1 uses the perfect tense "HAD".

His OBEDIENCE in going out from Ur to Palestine was PARTIAL and thus IMPERFECT OBEDIENCE as he did not leave his kindred when he left Ur. He did not leave his kindred when he left Haran and that is precisely why he was reminded at Haran what the Lord "HAD said" to him in UR when he received the gospel by faith but then IMPERFECT obedience followed.

If sacramentalism falls, the whole Roman Catholic Church falls and it falls before the mighty Sword of God's Word in Romans 4:6-12.

 

[billwald]

I prefer "The Old Dope Peddler."

 

[Wittenberger]

Well, if we are going to poke fun at our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ, how about a good "Baptist joke"?

Here goes: St. Peter was giving a tour to some new arrivals to heaven one day. The new arrivals were a mixture of Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Assembly of God, Lutherans, Roman Catholics, and Greek Orthodox.

St. Peter showed them the streets paved with gold, the stately mansions of the Twelve Apostles, and other spectacular sites in the Celestial City.

However, at one point in the tour, St. Peter turned to the group and whispered, "Shhh! Be VERY quiet while we pass by this next building."

"Why?" asked someone in the group.

"The Baptists are inside. They think that they are the only ones here!"


a Lutheran Christian
www.LutherWasNotBornAgain.com

 

[DHK]

If it is not one scandal, it is another.

Pope's butler placed under house arrest in Vatican

Pope Benedict XVI's butler was released from a Vatican cell and placed under house arrest on Saturday as he awaits a ruling on whether he should stand trial for leaking confidential papers.
"His detention is no longer necessary," Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi told reporters, adding that the ruling would come by early August at the latest.
Paolo Gabriele "will reside at home with his family in the Vatican", he said.
Gabriele's lawyer meanwhile said his client believed his was "an act of love" for the pope and a bid to make the Catholic Church "more alive". He stressed that Gabriele had acted alone and not as a part of any Vatican "plot".
Lombardi also said a committee of cardinals that has questioned 28 lay people and clergy in the the "Vatileaks" scandal had submitted a report to the pope but did not give further details, adding only that Gabriele remains the sole suspect.
Gabriele, 46, was arrested on May 23 after an Italian investigative journalist published hundreds of secret documents that revealed a series of fraud scandals in the Vatican and an atmosphere of intrigue between rival groups of cardinals.
The Vatican said after his arrest it had found documents and copying equipment in Gabriele's home in an investigation that has shocked the close-knit community of the Holy See where Gabriele was seen as a trusted aide to an ageing pope.
Gabriele, known as Paoletto, has worked for the pope since 2006 and was one of a select few with access to the pope's private chambers. He was often seen by Benedict's side on foreign visits, assisting him and riding in the "popemobile".
His home is within the Vatican walls and Gabriele will be allowed to leave his house only to attend mass, Lombardi said, adding that he would be able to receive "spiritual and medical assistance" while awaiting the judge's ruling.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/popes-butler-placed-under-house-arrest-vatican-180419714.html

 

[saturneptune]

Well, if we are going to poke fun at our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ, how about a good "Baptist joke"?

Here goes: St. Peter was giving a tour to some new arrivals to heaven one day. The new arrivals were a mixture of Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Assembly of God, Lutherans, Roman Catholics, and Greek Orthodox.

St. Peter showed them the streets paved with gold, the stately mansions of the Twelve Apostles, and other spectacular sites in the Celestial City.

However, at one point in the tour, St. Peter turned to the group and whispered, "Shhh! Be VERY quiet while we pass by this next building."

"Why?" asked someone in the group.

"The Baptists are inside. They think that they are the only ones here!"


a Lutheran Christian
www.LutherWasNotBornAgain.com

That is really hillarous since Catholic doctrine boils down to saying all not members of the one true church, the RCC, are headed for the Lake of Fire.

If you are going to tell a good Baptist joke, make it realistic, like

Jews do not recognize Jesus
Protestants do not recognize the Pope
Baptists do not recognize each other in a liquor store

 

[Wittenberger]

I like your joke, brother!

However, your comment about the RCC condemning all non-Catholics to hell is incorrect. The RCC, as well as Lutherans, Eastern Orthodox, and Anglo-Catholics believe that anyone who professes Christ as Savior and has been baptized in a trinitarian Christian church, is a Christian.

They may consider you a heretic, but they still consider you a Christian.

a Lutheran Christian
www.LutherWasNotBornAgain.com

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I like your joke, brother!

However, your comment about the RCC condemning all non-Catholics to hell is incorrect. The RCC, as well as Lutherans, Eastern Orthodox, and Anglo-Catholics believe that anyone who professes Christ as Savior and has been baptized in a trinitarian Christian church, is a Christian.

They may consider you a heretic, but they still consider you a Christian.

a Lutheran Christian
www.LutherWasNotBornAgain.com

But then by that definition they don't consider Quakers and Salvation Army members Christians, and yet members of these two denominations have followed Jesus more consistently than most.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Hardly a joke. My aunt was a Baptist missionary that became Catholic after serious study of the bible and the Catechism. You might not agree with their interpretation of scripture but y'all can't even agree with each other. Thread after thread focusing on Catholicism turns into Baptist arguing with each others interpretation of scripture.

And my Auntie was a Catholic nun who is now a serious Christian who works hard to pull people out of Catholicism. She has converted most of her 5 children & two have their own ministries.

 

[targus]

And my Auntie was a Catholic nun who is now a serious Christian who works hard to pull people out of Catholicism. She has converted most of her 5 children & two have their own ministries.

Nuns have kids now?

 

[Walter]

And my Auntie was a Catholic nun who is now a serious Christian who works hard to pull people out of Catholicism. She has converted most of her 5 children & two have their own ministries.

And my Aunt was a Baptist missionary, now a serious Catholic who works hard to bring the love Christ to the lost.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Nuns have kids now?

Sure, after they leave the order

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And my Aunt was a Baptist missionary, now a serious Catholic who works hard to bring the love Christ to the lost.

Whom do you consider the lost?