"Left vs Right" - Politics is a farce.

[mandym]

That I speak out against it? Then in that respect, yes.



Insults with no backing...



What difference is there? They're both ruled, or at the very least influenced to a great degree, by powerful people.



Wrong. I've already stated that, yes I would have voted for Ron Paul if he were to get the nomination, but he didn't. Why he didn't get the nomination is proof that our system of government is totally broken. It's just a game to these people. Romney and his supporters were the ones that snubbed him of his wins in multiple states. Maine being one of them, where I live, didn't get a whole lot of coverage on the corruption that went on up here.

I have a friend who went to the Republican convention in Augusta, who saw first hand what the Romney people were doing. They were distributing phoney ballots (among other things):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcgOuuM1VkM

And in Nevada, pretty much the same thing happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHHQKo5EshU

And there was a paltry news coverage of it in other states and the ones I already listed, but the reports mostly try to downplay the events as sporadic or isolated; ie, not imporant enough to raise a big fuss about blatent stealing of an election (even if only primaries/delegates).



I agree, but the GOP doesn't stand for those things any more. Don't vote along party lines. Don't blindly defend the GOP or DNC. Going from one "extreme" to the other, hasn't solved anything.



I think you meant "not right". But, you can't enforce morality upon people who have none in the first place. They love themselves and hate God. I agree that abortion should be illegal, but that isn't going to stop people from getting one, sadly. As Christians, we should be educating these people why they shouldn't get one and hope and pray they don't, not just simply trying to pass laws about it.



And yet, it goes on as planned. Why is that?



There isn't a difference. They only pretend to be different for the sake of pitting one group of Americans against another, simply to keep you distracted of what is really going on. It's like "professional" wrestling.

The American Form of Government:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-dhK9GHzPI
This short (10 minute) video clearly illustrates the false "right vs left" political scale that we are duped into believing. Also shows the difference between a democracy and a republic, (for those who think America is a democracy...).

We are going the way of Rome, and allowing "elected" leaders to become more like dictators. It is a planned affair, but seeing the connections means you might have to "unlearn" all the propaganda that is constantly spewed out of the mass media, which is all controlled by the same groups of people. Things aren't changing no matter who is getting "elected" to office, and why is that?

Infowars warps the brain.

 

[Ceegen]

Infowars warps the brain.

No substance.

At least www.infowars.com has a modicum of merit... But none of the videos were from infowars.

Did you even watch them? I'm guessing not. The first two are from sources that were at the conventions where the established GOP clearly stole the votes, or just didn't count the ones that voted for someone other than Romney. The third is just an informational video that exposes the "right (Republican) vs left (Democrat)" political scale for what it is: Propaganda.

 

[mandym]

No substance.

At least www.infowars.com has a modicum of merit... But none of the videos were from infowars.

Did you even watch them? I'm guessing not. The first two are from sources that were at the conventions where the established GOP clearly stole the votes, or just didn't count the ones that voted for someone other than Romney. The third is just an informational video that exposes the "right (Republican) vs left (Democrat)" political scale for what it is: Propaganda.

Folks who are indoctrinated by inforwars will not let you know they get their propaganda from infowars. They understand there is a huge credibility problem there. But they can be spotted a mile away if one has any understanding about infowars and their ilk.

I keep up regularly with all sorts of movements. I am quite familiar with infowars and they have no credibility. Quite the tinfoil hat wearing crowd.

 

[Arbo]

Alex Jones...:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Ceegen]

Folks who are indoctrinated by inforwars will not let you know they get their propaganda from infowars. They understand there is a huge credibility problem there. But they can be spotted a mile away if one has any understanding about infowars and their ilk.

I keep up regularly with all sorts of movements. I am quite familiar with infowars and they have no credibility. Quite the tinfoil hat wearing crowd.

Are you serious? You didn't even watch the videos. They have nothing to do with infowars. The first video is the one my friend from the Augusta convention told me about that was filmed at the convention! The second I got from a Tea Party link. The third is from a program named "Project Red Pill", which I don't whole-heartedly agree with, but it does illustrate the absurdity of what we currently have masquerading as "government".

You don't have a leg to stand on, and so the insults continue. Go ahead and keep burying your head in the sand, but cancer doesn't get better when you ignore it.

 

[mandym]

You don't have a leg to stand on, and so the insults continue. Go ahead and keep burying your head in the sand, but cancer doesn't get better when you ignore it.

Calling something cancer when it is something completely different does not advance improvement. And if you had a leg to stand on I would be interested in your videos. But your plain overstatements do not lend to anything.

It is a fact, that no one needs a video to understand, that there is a clear difference between the two parties. You may not like either one, and I can understand that, but to say they are the exact same is absurd and just plain wrong. When you get that right then you will begin to obtain some credibility. Using thee wrong thing to defend against what is wrong is always wrong in itself.

 

[Ceegen]

Calling something cancer when it is something completely different does not advance improvement. And if you had a leg to stand on I would be interested in your videos. But your plain overstatements do not lend to anything.

It is a fact, that no one needs a video to understand, that there is a clear difference between the two parties. You may not like either one, and I can understand that, but to say they are the exact same is absurd and just plain wrong. When you get that right then you will begin to obtain some credibility. Using thee wrong thing to defend against what is wrong is always wrong in itself.

What do I have to gain, by convincing you that this is true? I get nothing out of it, except the promise that maybe one day we can change government back to what it is supposed to be, when enough people realize what is going on. Because as it is now, nothing is changing.

Did you ever find the assassination of JFK, odd? That maybe the official explanation of things, didn't sit well? What if I told you about another assassination that had parallels to JFK's? Do you know who Congressman Louis T. McFadden is? He had two previous attempts on his life before he was poisoned to death the third time. No investigation ever took place! But what do JFK and McFadden have in common? They both tried to do something about the Federal Reserve system, and they were both killed for it.

They run both parties and they controll the government, because they controll the money of the government. There is absolutely no real difference between the two parties. It doesn't matter who wins, until we get people into office who actually care and will do something about it. But even then, they usually get killed or threatened to be killed, and so nothing changes. And you don't see these things, because they own the media corporations too.

They either own them directly or through proxies. They all attend the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Comission, Bilderberger Group, or any number of other groups that are all either founded by or entirely run by, rich international bankers. Is it a coincidence?
No, it is not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tn5-uKgkWw

But it doesn't matter how much proof I have, or how eloquent I present the details. We know there is something seriously wrong with this nation, and yet we ignore that little voice at the back of our head telling us so, simply because we do not wish to be bothered by the implications of it. And anyone who disagrees with us, are conspiracy nuts. I used to think like that too.

The real question is: What do you have to lose? Are you afraid of being labeled a conspiracy nut, too?

 

[InTheLight]

Up here in the Maine GOP primaries, 15% of the vote was thrown out. That 15% was coincidently the districts that Ron Paul was predicted to, and did, win. The establishment Republicans essentially cheated Paul of his win up here in Maine, and in other states. They don't want a real person to win, they just want "their guy" in office. Rules and regulations don't matter to these people

Up here in the Minnesota the Ron Paulites took over the GOP. The Paulites essentially cheated Santorum out of his win up here in Minnesota, and in other states, by stacking the party with their delegates. They nominated a complete neophyte candidate for U.S. Senate. They don't want a Republican to win, they just want "their guy" in office. Rules and regulations don't matter to these people.

 

[InTheLight]

Did you ever find the assassination of JFK, odd? That maybe the official explanation of things, didn't sit well? What if I told you about another assassination that had parallels to JFK's? Do you know who Congressman Louis T. McFadden is? He had two previous attempts on his life before he was poisoned to death the third time. No investigation ever took place! But what do JFK and McFadden have in common? They both tried to do something about the Federal Reserve system, and they were both killed for it.

They run both parties and they controll the government, because they controll the money of the government. There is absolutely no real difference between the two parties. It doesn't matter who wins, until we get people into office who actually care and will do something about it. But even then, they usually get killed or threatened to be killed, and so nothing changes. And you don't see these things, because they own the media corporations too.

They either own them directly or through proxies. They all attend the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Comission, Bilderberger Group, or any number of other groups that are all either founded by or entirely run by, rich international bankers. Is it a coincidence?
No, it is not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tn5-uKgkWw

Oh boy.......

 

[carpro]

Oh boy.......

:laugh: You'd have to be paranoid to understand. Don't even try.

 

[mandym]

The real question is: What do you have to lose? Are you afraid of being labeled a conspiracy nut, too?

I didn't say anything about being a conspiracy nut. Do you are the first one to come on this board or any other and present your "evidence"? Saying both parties are exactly the same calls your reasonable judgment into question. So long as you are going there nothing else you say is credible.

 

[hillclimber1]

IMO, it was implied when he said:
To me, that means don't vote if there is only evil to vote for.

Voting is always the choice of "which evil" because no one is good, not one.. Don't withdraw from the race, handing the win to the dark side.

Your sig:
I do not believe what I believe because I am Baptist. I am Baptist because they believe what I believe is true.

Does not make what you believe or what they believe, true.. necessarily.

 

[Ceegen]

I didn't say anything about being a conspiracy nut.

No you didn't, but that's not the point. The point is, talking about conspiracies, is like trying to talk to someone about Jesus. Most people don't do it, because they don't want to be ridiculed. That's my point.

Do you are the first one to come on this board or any other and present your "evidence"? Saying both parties are exactly the same calls your reasonable judgment into question. So long as you are going there nothing else you say is credible.

Of course it doesn't seem credible to you, because you'd like to believe otherwise. It's the same reason that anyone chooses not to believe in anything: Denial.

Denying that the two parties are exactly the same, means you can't see the connection in the first place. The only thing either party wants, is power and control. It doesn't matter to them who gets it, as long as one of them gets it.

You really, honestly think the PATRIOT Act was about finding terrorists? Does anyone honestly think that Obamacare is about getting affordable healthcare for people? They both do the same thing: Restrict our freedoms, and validate the government's authority by making you submit to it under the force of law.

 

[Ceegen]

Up here in the Minnesota the Ron Paulites took over the GOP. The Paulites essentially cheated Santorum out of his win up here in Minnesota, and in other states, by stacking the party with their delegates. They nominated a complete neophyte candidate for U.S. Senate. They don't want a Republican to win, they just want "their guy" in office. Rules and regulations don't matter to these people.

I wouldn't doubt it. Fanatics of any color ruin it for everyone else. There are lots of Ron Paul fanatics, and they're not any different from any other type of fanatic.

But I see what you did there, and lacking any video links which prove your standpoint... Makes this just another insult.

 

[mandym]

No you didn't, but that's not the point. The point is, talking about conspiracies, is like trying to talk to someone about Jesus. Most people don't do it, because they don't want to be ridiculed. That's my point.

And you made that point why?

Of course it doesn't seem credible to you, because you'd like to believe otherwise. It's the same reason that anyone chooses not to believe in anything: Denial.

No it is because I and most every other person know better.

Denying that the two parties are exactly the same, means you can't see the connection in the first place. The only thing either party wants, is power and control. It doesn't matter to them who gets it, as long as one of them gets it.

How many of them do you personally know?

You really, honestly think the PATRIOT Act was about finding terrorists? Does anyone honestly think that Obamacare is about getting affordable healthcare for people? They both do the same thing: Restrict our freedoms, and validate the government's authority by making you submit to it under the force of law.

I have not lost one freedom inhibited as a result of the Patriot Act. Obamacare has not yet effected me but it looks to. Holding those two up together does not make the two parties the same.

And it becomes more and more apparent as you spend more and more time discussing politics that you care about politics. One more thing that discredits you.

 

[InTheLight]

I wouldn't doubt it. Fanatics of any color ruin it for everyone else. There are lots of Ron Paul fanatics, and they're not any different from any other type of fanatic.

But I see what you did there, and lacking any video links which prove your standpoint... Makes this just another insult.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=16387263

http://www.twincities.com/localnews...sement-battle-senate-race-underway?refresh=no

 

[Ceegen]

And you made that point why?

I think it's pretty obvious, but if you still don't get it, then I understand why it is that you don't understand the rest of my posts.

No it is because I and most every other person know better.

No, you don't. You think Fox News is "fair and balanced"? Even when Roger Ailes, (Chairman and CEO of Fox News), is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations? As well as members of other "respected" journalistic personalities from "left-leaning" news agencies?

Keep ignoring the blatently obvious...

How many of them do you personally know?

My dad was an Illinois state trooper for 20 years, and a US Marshall for 5. I've met and talked with Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe. My drafting instructor was mayor, and is now treasurer, of the city I live in. I have a coin from a 3-star general who was part of a bunch of congress critters that visited the unit I was at. I'm friends with a policeman in my area, and he is married to my wife's cousin.

How many of "them" do you personally know? Does it really matter? Are we here to boast about what kind of connections we have? This is so pointless. It doesn't matter who you personally know, look at what they are doing. By their fruits, ye shall know them.

I have not lost one freedom inhibited as a result of the Patriot Act.

If you live in America, you have. The TSA was created thanks to the PATRIOT Act. Why do we have TSA checkpoints, and why is the government trying to expand the scope and power of the TSA? Why did Bush feel it necessary to "protect the homeland" - Something reminiscent of Nazi Germany. Don't think something like that can't happen here in the USA. Plenty of psychological studies were done which prove that it wouldn't be any different here, and I could cite them here, but you wouldn't care because your mind is already made up.

Obamacare has not yet effected me but it looks to. Holding those two up together does not make the two parties the same.

Bush, a "Republican", passed the PATRIOT Act. Obama, a "Democrat", passed the ACA. When Romney gets elected next, he inherrits both pieces of legislation. He gets all the power of all the previous presidents, in the form of executive privilege. That is why it doesn't matter who gets elected, it is just a continuation of the "game" these people play with the government.

Executive orders will be signed to enhance/enforce laws already on the books, which is how they will justify putting you and your family into a "relocation facility". All they need is the right crisis to manipulate... But they will not wait for one to happen, they will manufacture a crisis (again).

And it becomes more and more apparent as you spend more and more time discussing politics that you care about politics. One more thing that discredits you.

lol, says you.

"And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them." - 1 Samuel 8:7.

 

[Ceegen]

http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=16387263

http://www.twincities.com/localnews...sement-battle-senate-race-underway?refresh=no

So let me get this straight...

When lots of people show up to support Ron Paul and people like him, and take the vote in a sweep, that's not okay! No way, we can't have all those people showing up to support Ron Paul! Ludicrous! That many people can't possibly be... Crazy, can they?

But when Romney's camp circulates fake ballots, nominates people who didn't even put their name up, and then closes down the convention in Nevada, that's all "okay"?

Your priorities are totally backwards.

 

[InTheLight]

So let me get this straight...

When lots of people show up to support Ron Paul and people like him, and take the vote in a sweep, that's not okay! No way, we can't have all those people showing up to support Ron Paul! Ludicrous! That many people can't possibly be... Crazy, can they?

But when Romney's camp circulates fake ballots, nominates people who didn't even put their name up, and then closes down the convention in Nevada, that's all "okay"?

Please post a link to where I said I was OK with Romney's alleged tactics in Nevada.

I know an alternate delegate here in Minnesota who described the tactics used by the Paulites to take over the MN GOP party. It wasn't above board, plus they are loud, rude, and condescending.

Since you didn't comment on the nomination of Kurt Bills I'm going to assume you are OK with a schoolteacher with 1 1/2 years of elected office experience running for U.S. Senate.

 

[Ceegen]

Please post a link to where I said I was OK with Romney's alleged tactics in Nevada.

No, but your silence on the matter is deafening. You keep supporting the establishment GOP, and in the process get "anyone but Obama" elected, even if it means illegally doing so. We'll see how far that gets us.

Fake ballots and other dirty tricks @ the Augusta, Maine convention:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcgOuuM1VkM

Nevada convention gets (illegally) shut down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHHQKo5EshU

I know an alternate delegate here in Minnesota who described the tactics used by the Paulites to take over the MN GOP party. It wasn't above board, plus they are loud, rude, and condescending.

If he/she say so. Maybe they're loud because they want to be heard? Maybe they only seem to be "rude and condescending" because they're tired of lie after lie being spouted off as fact? Maybe they are trying to take over the GOP, because the GOP as it stands now, isn't any different from the DNC with regards to voter fraud and intimidation?

I'm just going to go out on a limb, and say that it's propaganda. Much like all the lies about the TEA Party being a bunch of racists. Neither of the links you provided proves your point, and just saying that someone told you it is so, doesn't make it so.

But... I hold your claims to be, at the very least, plausible.

Since you didn't comment on the nomination of Kurt Bills I'm going to assume you are OK with a schoolteacher with 1 1/2 years of elected office experience running for U.S. Senate.

What's wrong with that? How else do you expect someone to get experience, if they can't get any in the first place? I'd rather someone without experience who sincerely wants to change things back to the way things are supposed to be get the job, rather than someone with tons of experience who wants nothing to change get the job.