Legal suit questions the citizenship of Obama

[windcatcher]

At this point, I hate that my imagination is being drawn to the dark side to wonder: If Obama has nothing to hide, then resolving this problem puts more confidence in his camp. But if he has something to hide, then delaying the presenting of the evidence, provides opportunity to 'scrub' evidence and/or posibly eliminate the ones bringing focus to the issues.

 

[windcatcher]

Factcheck site is also special interest:
Obama has close association with its sponsers.... I think as close as working on their board.

I don't think it is fair to call Berg's site as 'partisan' unless you are implicating and giving credit to the Democrats: He is a life long Democrat, a former attorney general, and has run on the Democrat ticket for Senate and Governor....... "Partisan" without identifying your meaning leaves interpretation open.

Why should McCain (who is concerned with issues) involve himself in questions which should be resolved by the DNC and the FEC, and open himself up to ridicule and charges of 'racism' when the other camp is already presenting their own questions..... albeit on a more personal instead of national level?

 

[LeBuick]

At this point, I hate that my imagination is being drawn to the dark side to wonder: If Obama has nothing to hide, then resolving this problem puts more confidence in his camp. But if he has something to hide, then delaying the presenting of the evidence, provides opportunity to 'scrub' evidence and/or posibly eliminate the ones bringing focus to the issues.

But has produced a certified copy of his birth certificate, there are copies of it all over the net.

Why doesn't McCain have to show his?

 

[Revmitchell]

But has produced a certified copy of his birth certificate, there are copies of it all over the net.

Why doesn't McCain have to show his?

Yes because we all know that pics on the internet are always relable without question.

 

[JustChristian]

But has produced a certified copy of his birth certificate, there are copies of it all over the net.

Why doesn't McCain have to show his?

Anybody can file a suit about virtually anything. It doesn't have to be true or even believable. Somehow, I thought in America you were innocent until proven guilty. I suppose Bush took that right away.

Ever wonder about the TIMING of this lawsuit hitting just before the election? Why didn't this guy file suit back when Obama was running in the primaries if he just wanted to get at the truth. I have a funny feeling that isn't his objective.

 

[windcatcher]

Anybody can file a suit about virtually anything. It doesn't have to be true or even believable. Somehow, I thought in America you were innocent until proven guilty. I suppose Bush took that right away.

Ever wonder about the TIMING of this lawsuit hitting just before the election? Why didn't this guy file suit back when Obama was running in the primaries if he just wanted to get at the truth. I have a funny feeling that isn't his objective.

I don't 'get it'. Why do you say innocent until proven guilty? The question here is not that of a crime for which he is charged! Its a simple but necessary question of "Does he qualify to run, or has he misrepresented or been confused regarding his qualifications.

Don't you get it? McCain has already survived a suit contesting his proof. It resulted in being dismissed. Whatever were the issues.... it wasn't his birth certificate in question, but more of a question of where he was born.

As far as 'privacy issues': I've had to present a birth certificate for my first drivers' license, for SS number, in some cases for enrollment in school. As for school records..... everytime I've entered a different school or college, I've had to provide transcripts from previous schools: Some of these 'privacy' issues..... have been required to get licensed as a dental hygienist..... to get Hazmat endorsement..... for employment....... and 3 places required background checks to include fingerprints for employment... 2 after hire, and 1 as prerequisite.

If this is so common in a common person's experience.... How come Obama is protected from supenas for discovery to prove that he is qualified by law to run?

What ever privacy he thinks is disclosed on documents which he would not want to go public can be silenced by an order of the judge and privileged and confidential to the attorney bringing suit and the judge without publishing particulars of disclosures which were required in the judgement of the court.

Either he wants to satisfy the issue..... or there is an issue!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

No it couldn't. As a natural born (Hawaii) citizen, Obama's citizenship could not be taken away simply by being adopted.

Exactly Mrs Obama admitted no such thing as the title implies. She says he was born in Hawaii - that makes him a naturla born citizen, whether adopted by a non-citizen or not.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317(b). A minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of their custodial parent.

HERE is that section of the code. It appears to deal with name changes and aliens, not natural born US citizens.

 

[JustChristian]

I don't 'get it'. Why do you say innocent until proven guilty? The question here is not that of a crime for which he is charged! Its a simple but necessary question of "Does he qualify to run, or has he misrepresented or been confused regarding his qualifications.

Don't you get it? McCain has already survived a suit contesting his proof. It resulted in being dismissed. Whatever were the issues.... it wasn't his birth certificate in question, but more of a question of where he was born.

As far as 'privacy issues': I've had to present a birth certificate for my first drivers' license, for SS number, in some cases for enrollment in school. As for school records..... everytime I've entered a different school or college, I've had to provide transcripts from previous schools: Some of these 'privacy' issues..... have been required to get licensed as a dental hygienist..... to get Hazmat endorsement..... for employment....... and 3 places required background checks to include fingerprints for employment... 2 after hire, and 1 as prerequisite.

If this is so common in a common person's experience.... How come Obama is protected from supenas for discovery to prove that he is qualified by law to run?

What ever privacy he thinks is disclosed on documents which he would not want to go public can be silenced by an order of the judge and privileged and confidential to the attorney bringing suit and the judge without publishing particulars of disclosures which were required in the judgement of the court.

Either he wants to satisfy the issue..... or there is an issue!

So you're claiming that anyone can say anything slanderous about anyone else and we should believe it without proof? If this isn't a legal issue what's it doing in the courts?

 

[targus]

These sound like issues that could be easily settled in court.

Why do you suppose that Obam is dragging his feet?

Perhaps he is not as confident about the various rules of citizenship as you seem to be.

He is a consitutional lawyer after all...

 

[targus]

So you're claiming that anyone can say anything slanderous about anyone else and we should believe it without proof? If this isn't a legal issue what's it doing in the courts?

No one has said that you should believe anything.

We are just pointing out that claims have been made in court and that Obama is dragging his feet.

As to believing something without proof... if you read the motions you will see that the plaintiff has presented plenty of evidence. I'm just wondering what Obama's waiting for. You would think that this would be a slam dunk for him.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Or it could be so meaningless and petty that it is not worth his time and effort. Maybe since he is a lawyer he knows there is no threat and is not going to be bullied into answering such questions.

BTW - merging this into the other citizenship thread.

 

[targus]

Or it could be so meaningless and petty that it is not worth his time and effort. Maybe since he is a lawyer he knows there is no threat and is not going to be bullied into answering such questions.

I find it interesting that you think that being asked to show that one meets the constitutional qualifications to be President is "meaningless and petty".

As to being "bullied" into answering such questions... fortunately it is not a matter of being bullied but rather a matter of the courts. Eventually the judge will have to make a ruling - either to require Obama to produce the proofs or not.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I find it interesting that you think that being asked to show that one meets the constitutional qualifications to be President is "meaningless and petty".

As to being "bullied" into answering such questions... fortunately it is not a matter of being bullied but rather a matter of the courts. Eventually the judge will have to make a ruling - either to require Obama to produce the proofs or not.

Going out a limb here, but I suspect a strong one.

The judge will dismiss as yet another petty lawsuit clogging up the legal system.

I will make a crust for my humble pie just in case, but suspect I will be filling with with apples.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Going out a limb here, but I suspect a strong one.

The judge will dismiss as yet another petty lawsuit clogging up the legal system.

I will make a crust for my humble pie just in case, but suspect I will be filling with with apples.

I believe you are safe on your limb. If there was any merit to this issue Obama would never have made it to, much less through, the primaries.

 

[LeBuick]

Going out a limb here, but I suspect a strong one.

The judge will dismiss as yet another petty lawsuit clogging up the legal system.

I will make a crust for my humble pie just in case, but suspect I will be filling with with apples.

I will bring the milk and share your pie either way... :thumbs:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I will bring the milk and share your pie either way... :thumbs:

I know what goes good with apple pie (cheddar cheese) but don't know what goes with humble pie.

 

[LadyEagle]

I hope hannity reads his email. I sent the video link to a lot of people This needs exposed.

As far as a Constitutional Crisis, I figure there will be none. If Obama gets elected, he will have a Democratic Congress who will change the Constitution so that their annointed one will qualify to be POTUS.

Get ready for a lot of Constitutional changes, folks. A lot of them.

I am wondering if Roger or any of the Obama supporters watched the video. I guess it doesn't matter, though, because Obama supporters are so blinded, their eyes wouldn't see it anyway. :tear:

 

[webdog]

Going out a limb here, but I suspect a strong one.

The judge will dismiss as yet another petty lawsuit clogging up the legal system.

I will make a crust for my humble pie just in case, but suspect I will be filling with with apples.

What flavor will you be providing?

This would have already been dismissed already, and not made it as far as it has. I pray the judge does not allow Obama to delay the discovery until after the election so he can then play on the American's emotions with the race card.

 

[webdog]

Exactly Mrs Obama admitted no such thing as the title implies. She says he was born in Hawaii - that makes him a naturla born citizen, whether adopted by a non-citizen or not.

...and we all believe Mrs. Obama unconditionally