Let me introduce you to inmate No. P01135809

[Salty]

No, he's not. He is a private citizen. He is a former President of the United States.

I a FULLY aware that he is NOT the current POTUS!
He is entitled to that title regardless.
and he is more than "just" a private citizen.
Having secured service protection......

Lets just wait for the trials......

 

[KenH]

and he is more than "just" a private citizen.

"ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL / BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.” - Animal Farm

There is already a rule in place to not indict a sitting president. Maybe former presidents should be treated the same, kind of like the old idea of the divine right of kings.

Which leads to a question, what if a sitting or former president committed a crime, such as murder? Should he be indicted and tried?

 

[canadyjd]

FTR, having an attorney tell their client they do not believe their challenge to an election will legally succeed is not the same thing as saying the challenge itself is illegal.

Again, I hope DT puts the whole 2020 election on trial. Put those poll workers under oath, take depositions. Let them explain.

Challenging an election is not illegal.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

Again, I hope DT puts the whole 2020 election on trial. Put those poll workers under oath, take depositions. Let them explain.

That could be a good way to end elections - going after poll workers. I remember, once upon a time, maybe being a poll worker after I retired. When I was a kid, we lived just a couple of blocks from the county courthouse and my mother would be a poll worker. No way I would do such a job nowadays, and the attitude that you expressed is a good reason why I wouldn't.

 

[KenH]

I hope DT puts the whole 2020 election on trial.

Donald Trump and his acolytes have had almost three years to do that and that they haven't done so. And it is easy to see why not - they don't have proof.

If neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are going to accept that they can legitimately lose elections, that they can only lose if "votes are changed or fake votes added" or if there is "voter suppression", then maybe we should stop having elections. Just take a deck of cards and have each candidate pick a card and the high card wins.

 

[canadyjd]

That could be a good way to end elections - going after poll workers. I remember, once upon a time, maybe being a poll worker after I retired. When I was a kid, we lived just a couple of blocks from the county courthouse and my mother would be a poll worker. No way I would do such a job nowadays, and the attitude that you expressed is a good reason why I wouldn't.

Just to be clear, I’m speaking about the poll workers who pulled ballots from under tables after everyone else left for the night and continued counting.

I have no doubt most poll workers are honest and civic minded. Maybe these folks are too. But…. That was an accusation of fraud and they were never put under oath. In fact, the main worker wouldn’t talk about it to FBI, said she wanted an attorney.

Lying to the FBI is a crime.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

That was an accusation of fraud and they were never put under oath.

Are you talking about the testimony before Congress? Weren't those who testified to Congress under oath? I am not saying they were under oath or not. Thus, my question.

 

[canadyjd]

Donald Trump and his acolytes have had almost three years to do that and that they haven't done so. And it is easy to see why not - they don't have proof.

If neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are going to accept that they can legitimately lose elections, that they can only lose if "votes are changed or fake votes added" or if there is "voter suppression", then maybe we should stop having elections. Just take a deck of cards and have each candidate pick a card and the high card wins.

DT lost all challenges of fraud in court. SCOTUS refused to hear the cases.

Once legislatures certified elections results and sent electors to congress, DT officially and constitutionally lost the election.

However, He is being charged with challenging the results, “knowing he lost”. It seems to me a very good defense would be to give the reasons why he believed there was fraud.

Let him put everyone under oath. Sunshine!! Sunshine!! Sunshine!!!

And, he has every right to vigorously pursue that defense.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Are you talking about the testimony before Congress? Weren't those who testified to Congress under oath? I am not saying they were under oath or not. Thus, my question.

Are you talking about Jan6 hearings? I don’t remember any congressional hearings about election fraud in specific states.

I do know some states (Pennsylvania?) held hearings, so those folks would have been under oath. I don’t think Georgia had hearings, though there was an investigation that determined no fraud occurred.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

Are you talking about Jan6 hearings?

Yes.

 

[canadyjd]

Yes.

Well, Jan 6 hearings didn’t look into election fraud, only the riot. It was politically slanted from the start, and was, imo, a waste of time.

Although some good came out of it. Chaney and kinzinger lost their seats in congress.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

However, He is being charged with challenging the results, “knowing he lost”. It seems to me a very good defense would be to give the reasons why he believed there was fraud.

I don't think he will be able to. The trials, if they ever take place, such as the documents case in Florida, and the call asking for votes to be added to his total in Georgia, have nothing to do with what he was thinking. They are about his actions.

It is my opinion that the case in New York and the case in Washington, D.C., should not have been brought forward.

Actually, personally, I wish that none of the four cases had been brought forward. It was clear from the start that any of these cases would further roil up the political atmosphere in the United States and cause further division among the citizens of the United States. And, quite frankly, I don't think that Donald Trump is worth further roiling up the political atmosphere in the United States nor causing further division among the citizens of the United States. He just ain't worth it!

 

[KenH]

Well, Jan 6 hearings didn’t look into election fraud

As I recall, it also dealt with the accusations against poll workers in Georgia.

Chaney and kinzinger lost their seats in congress.

Cheney ran knowing that her race was a lost cause. Kinzinger did not seek reelection.

 

[KenH]

It was politically slanted from the start

Pretty much any hearing in Congress nowadays about any controversial subject is slanted by the Republicans or the Democrats, and the direction depends on which party is running the hearing. Neither the Republican nor the Democratic Parties are honest brokers nowadays.

 

[JonC]

Donald Trump and his acolytes have had almost three years to do that and that they haven't done so. And it is easy to see why not - they don't have proof.

If neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are going to accept that they can legitimately lose elections, that they can only lose if "votes are changed or fake votes added" or if there is "voter suppression", then maybe we should stop having elections. Just take a deck of cards and have each candidate pick a card and the high card wins.

You could add that they can't. Trump fairly lost some states he claimed to win. But any fraud was within the states. The election itself is federal. It cannot be overturned.

What should be done is investigate election fraud and seek to prevent it from occurring regardless of the party who benefitted. The fake electors were Republican. That was election fraud.

 

[Revmitchell]

I don't think he will be able to. The trials, if they ever take place, such as the documents case in Florida, and the call asking for votes to be added to his total in Georgia, have nothing to do with what he was thinking. They are about his actions.

It is my opinion that the case in New York and the case in Washington, D.C., should not have been brought forward.

Actually, personally, I wish that none of the four cases had been brought forward. It was clear from the start that any of these cases would further roil up the political atmosphere in the United States and cause further division among the citizens of the United States. And, quite frankly, I don't think that Donald Trump is worth further roiling up the political atmosphere in the United States nor causing further division among the citizens of the United States. He just ain't worth it!

He didn't ask for votes to be added. That is what the left is trying to make it out to be but it was not what he meant. Its an absurd claim

 

[KenH]

but it was not what he meant

What, in your opinion, did he mean?

 

[canadyjd]

Concerning the DT call to Georgia officials saying they only needed to “find” 22,000 votes (or whatever it was) he was trying to convince them to do signature verification of mail in ballots. He wasn’t asking them to cheat. He was asking for due process and to follow election law.

I agree no politician is worth what the country is going through. That’s why I’ve stated DT supporters see him as a symbol at this point. It isn’t about him, directly, but indirectly as a symbol of the corruption in DC that will lie,cheat, steal and prosecute anyone that doesn’t bend the knee to the elites.

You can’t defeat a symbol. DT will probably be the nominee. Whether he wins, or not, in the general election unable to tell at this point.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

Concerning the DT call to Georgia officials saying they only needed to “find” 22,000 votes (or whatever it was) he was trying to convince them to do signature verification of mail in ballots.

You really think that Trump used the word "find" to mean that, and referring to a specific number of votes?

That’s why I’ve stated DT supporters see him as a symbol at this point.

Good point. And just like the Philistines did with Dagon, regardless of how many times he falls, they keep setting him back up.

 

[JonC]

He didn't ask for votes to be added. That is what the left is trying to make it out to be but it was not what he meant. Its an absurd claim

Well...he did. Just not fake votes. He asked for them to find votes (I would assume that those votes count). That ask was accompanied by Trump saying he knew they won the election, so in context it would appear he believed those votes existed.

The Dems are trying to make him ask for fake votes to inflate his numbers.

As it turns out, those votes did not exist. But Trump is not required by law to believe the results.