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canadyjd

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JonC said:
No. In Michigan the fake electors are facing up to 16 years. DT is not in that trial.

Just to clarify - we have to look AFTER the Electoral Count Act.

In 1960 the DNC did this, but a recount showed they won anyway (and JFK took Hawaii....and would have been elected anyway). So no charges were pursued...obviously.

But just because charges were not pursued in the past does not make it illegal.

In Michigan, should they link Trump to the crime, he could face up to 16 years (Michigan law). In GA he could face up to 1 year if linked to the crime of conspiring to commit forgery, more if intent is determined to be election fraud.

And that's just two of the states with known GOP fake electors.

IF Trump was involved then he needs to go to jail. We would demand the same if Biden had fake electors set up.
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Once again, please show the Michigan statute that makes forming alternative electors a crime?

What these dem DA’s have done is stretch existing fraud statutes in an attempt to punish political opponents.

It will play out in court and we will see where it ends. Dems should hope it ends without convictions because of a precedent is set to make political challenges to elections a crime, they may very well find themselves being charged in the future. They might just anyway.

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He(Nixon) told a reporter at the time: "Our country cannot afford the agony of a constitutional crisis and I damn well will not be a party to creating one just to become president or anything else."
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JonC

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canadyjd said:
Once again, please show the Michigan statute that makes forming alternative electors a crime?

What these dem DA’s have done is stretch existing fraud statutes in an attempt to punish political opponents.

It will play out in court and we will see where it ends. Dems should hope it ends without convictions because of a precedent is set to make political challenges to elections a crime, they may very well find themselves being charged in the future. They might just anyway.

peace to you
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These are the charges the false electors in Michigan face:

  • One count of Conspiracy to Commit Forgery, a 14-year felony,
  • Two counts of Forgery, a 14-year felony,
  • One count of Conspiracy to Commit Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
  • One count of Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
  • One count of Conspiracy to Commit Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony, and,
  • Two counts of Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony.
The charges correspond with:

MCL 750.248 (counterfeiting, forging or altering public record) as elector certificates are public records.

MCL 166.933a (makes, files or publishes for any purpose under the Michigan Election Law with the intent to defraud is guilty of election law forgery).

MCL 750.249 (any person who utters or publishes as true a false, counterfeit, altered or forged instrument or other writing listed in section 248 knowing it to be false, altered, forged or counterfeit . . .)

MCL 750.158a (a person who conspires with 1 or more persons with the intent to fraud...)

Applicable Michigan election law - MCL 168.41, MCL 168.47)

IF a false electors certificate was made (it was in Michigan) then the law was violated.

Had they just called themselves "electors", that might be hard to prove. But they had made certificates, and signed certificates, of the State of Michigan.

Regardless, of legality it is election fraud and an attempt to steal an election through deception. Even if Trump had the votes it would be an attempt to steal an election. It was wrong. They need to go to jail.

Now they blame Trump advisors (who recruited them and instructed them to prepare the certificates). But they should have known it was wrong.
 
canadyjd

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JonC said:
These are the charges the false electors in Michigan face:

  • One count of Conspiracy to Commit Forgery, a 14-year felony,
  • Two counts of Forgery, a 14-year felony,
  • One count of Conspiracy to Commit Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
  • One count of Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
  • One count of Conspiracy to Commit Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony, and,
  • Two counts of Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony.
The charges correspond with:

MCL 750.248 (counterfeiting, forging or altering public record) as elector certificates are public records.

MCL 166.933a (makes, files or publishes for any purpose under the Michigan Election Law with the intent to defraud is guilty of election law forgery).

MCL 750.249 (any person who utters or publishes as true a false, counterfeit, altered or forged instrument or other writing listed in section 248 knowing it to be false, altered, forged or counterfeit . . .)

MCL 750.158a (a person who conspires with 1 or more persons with the intent to fraud...)

Applicable Michigan election law - MCL 168.41, MCL 168.47)

IF a false electors certificate was made (it was in Michigan) then the law was violated.

Had they just called themselves "electors", that might be hard to prove. But they had made certificates, and signed certificates, of the State of Michigan.

Regardless, of legality it is election fraud and an attempt to steal an election through deception. Even if Trump had the votes it would be an attempt to steal an election. It was wrong. They need to go to jail.

Now they blame Trump advisors (who recruited them and instructed them to prepare the certificates). But they should have known it was wrong.
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Thanks for the info. We will see how the charges hold up in court.

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JonC

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canadyjd said:
I notice Mr. Wall wasn’t there for the count and was replaced. Did he get charged too? Or is he thanking his lucky stars his car broke down in route?

peace to you
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They have nothing on Wall (Terri Lynn Land and Gerald Wall didn't sign the forged document).
 
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KenH said:
In your scenario, then the United States is doomed to be continually handcuffed to the past never able to move forward. Your attitude is no different than those pushing for reparations based on past slavery in the United States. Different subjects, same attitude - we must fix the past before we can move forward, sort of like a secular form of penance as in the Catholic Church.
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Nothing about this post is true
 
KenH

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Salty said:
Is that really true???
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Piper

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He is not a prisoner (someone imprisoned after being convicted), but he is someone who has been charged with a crime and under the jurisdiction of the court on bail. He was issued an inmate number, and would be held in physical custody if he had not posted bail. So it is fair to refer to him as an inmate.
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You sound like a fundamentalist. LOL
 
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