atpollard
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Pretty sure they ban you.You need to take this to a Catholic forum and see how they handle it.
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Pretty sure they ban you.You need to take this to a Catholic forum and see how they handle it.
He was married to His bride, the Church, but God NEVER gave the command that all ministers must be celebate and single!I kinda figured it would be this. So you saying required being married.
They actually exists even today. And were common up to 1100.
But lets start with some "drivel".......yeah thats not insulting....
Lets start with the first bishop. Jesus Christ. He was celibate not married.
“For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls” (v. 25).
- 1 Peter 2:25
You would deny Jesus Christ any point of authority. ST. PAUL who wrote that line you are citing was not married himself.
BOTH are celibate. BOTH OF them tell us advantages celibacy.
1 Corinthians 7
32But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; 33but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, 34and his interests are divided.
Paul would have said married to A wife, the ONE wife is instruction against polygamy. Paul also advises unmarried and widows to remain like himself.
I hope next time you can google catholic "drivel" so you can actually cite our "drivel" not your own baptist "xenophobic" misrepresentation.
Like google "Bishops must be husband of one Catholic Answers" And if you want the actual rule look up " catechism"
But where does Scripture Peter passed the keys on to anyone else? Seems that's a man-made tale. GOD would hafta have passed on those keys ! And there's no Scripture saying he did !And if Peter was pope, he didn't know it, as the RCC didn't exist then.
"Pope" is just a man-made office that MEN conferred upon the bishops of Rome.
He was married to His bride, the Church, but God NEVER gave the command that all ministers must be celebate and single!
Jesus founded the true Church, which teaches the true Gospel, and RCC stopped that at Council pf Trent!That takes us back to bind and loose. There are Catholic priest who are married and with children.
This thread had a focus. POPE which means father. I give you an example how Paul is Father of timothy.
2nd BISHOP OF ROME. I gave scriptural support for Bishops.
now the argument is switching to why priest don't get married. Which again is the subject of bind and loose.
When we have are squabbles Jesus is clear :
17“If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18“Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.
There he is talking about the CHURCH and its authority to bind and loose. Those who couldn't stand final ruling of the church started their own religions.
Jesus Christ did not start your faith. Some guy left another faith to start his own thing. John Smyth english speratist left the anglicans to start his own BAPTIST church, later he dumped the religion he invented, left to be a Mennonite.
Google WHO STARTED THE BAPTIST CHURCH? ANSWER-> John Smythus f
GOOGLE who started the Catholic church? ANSWER-> JESUS CHRIST.
Pretty sure they ban you.
I kinda figured it would be this. So you saying required being married.
They actually exists even today. And were common up to 1100.
But lets start with some "drivel".......yeah thats not insulting....
Lets start with the first bishop. Jesus Christ. He was celibate not married.
“For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls” (v. 25).
- 1 Peter 2:25
You would deny Jesus Christ any point of authority. ST. PAUL who wrote that line you are citing was not married himself.
BOTH are celibate. BOTH OF them tell us advantages celibacy.
1 Corinthians 7
32But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; 33but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, 34and his interests are divided.
Paul would have said married to A wife, the ONE wife is instruction against polygamy. Paul also advises unmarried and widows to remain like himself.
I hope next time you can google catholic "drivel" so you can actually cite our "drivel" not your own baptist "xenophobic" misrepresentation.
Like google "Bishops must be husband of one Catholic Answers" And if you want the actual rule look up " catechism"
He was married to His bride, the Church, but God NEVER gave the command that all ministers must be celebate and single!
1 Tim.41But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.
Celibacy for clergy is just another man-made addition to God's commands, in violation of Mark 7:8.
As fir Post #31, that's quite an imaginative stretch of the Greek. Still no Scriptural support for a pope. The only possible "vicar" Jesus appointed in His place is the HOLY SPIRIT, whom Jesus said He'd send in His place, but even He does not have Jesus' authority to forgive sins.
We bible believers believe the scriptures.
Google WHO STARTED THE BAPTIST CHURCH? ANSWER-> John Smyth
GOOGLE who started the Catholic church? ANSWER-> JESUS CHRIST.
Case for pope is right here:
1 Corinthians 4
15For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
He saying he became his POPE.
That same Peter stated that Paul was the "pope" to the Gentiles, just as he was to the Jews, so unless one is Jewish, Paul would be your first Pope!Case for pope is right here:
1 Corinthians 4
15For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
He saying he became his POPE.
Forgive and Retain sins.
John 20
23“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”
id that Paul was cal a Gentile, Paul would have been your first Pope!led to be the "pope" to ther Gentiles, just as he was o the Jews, so if
We bible believers believe the scriptures. You just say Jesus was kidding.
Thanks for demonstrating your clear misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the Scriptures.
Paul was not at all saying that he became the pope. Paul brought the gospel--the word of God--to them so that he had begotten them through the gospel or in that sense he is their spiritual father.
1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Peter 1:25
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Your posts show that you choose to cling to corruptible things such as "vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers" (1 Peter 1:18) instead of truly and soundly believing the word of God.
Are you suggesting that Paul was the pope of the Corinthian church so that Peter could not have been their pope and so that Peter also could not be the pope of any to which he was not the one who first brought the gospel to them?
Y'all need to get your story straight!Antichrist will be someone who is not religious, but the papcy fits the False prophet!