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Lets Solve the "Worship Style/Music" debate once and for all...

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Anastasia

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Earth said:
You can dance to that Rap Crap? sorry, but you cant compare the two.
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Yes, and you are correct that you cannot compare the two. I can dance to rap (thanks for the crude language), but I cannot dance to Bach (though maybe after I learn to waltz). Some of us are not blessed with the ability to find rhythm in melody driven music. I grew up on more jazz/oldies than classical. I can dance to this though: Coptic hymn with some English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvypI4naU_U

If your wish art and not just lyrics that relate to more of life or the ability to dance at a social function, then I would meet your Bach and raise you this.

Greek Orthodox Christian Byzantine Music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2kG70hrAXU&feature=autoplay&list=FL9zGXnVel_hEdVnAB82Y50g&playnext=1
or Greek Orthodox Christian Byzantine Music in AgSofia Kabarnos βυζαντινή μουσική : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwFYUJb03d0&feature=related

Armenian Apostolic-Der Voghormia (Der Voghormia means Lord, have mercy, same as Kyrie Elison in Greek/Coptic, I went to an Armenian church for a while, but I should be studying Spanish instead of working on my Armenian.) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK2DBedCxQo

And for a more modern approach, Michael Gungor can play and he has awesome lyrics (His "Song for my Family" is like loves dew to the soul at times, btw, even if it isn't a "worship" song): Doxology: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzOyIkE5URs&list=FL9zGXnVel_hEdVnAB82Y50g&index=3
 
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Aaron

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Anastasia said:
Psalm 99:
1 The LORD reigns, let the peoples tremble;
He is enthroned above the cherubim, let the earth shake!
2 The LORD is great in Zion,
And He is exalted above all the peoples.
3 Let them praise Your great and awesome name;
Holy is He.
4 The strength of the King loves justice;
You have established equity;
You have executed justice and righteousness in Jacob.
5 Exalt the LORD our God
And worship at His footstool;
Holy is He.

Psalm 106
1 Praise the LORD!
Oh give thanks to the LORD, for He is good;
For His lovingkindness is everlasting.

http://www.seekgod.org/bible/godis.html
This has a cool list of verses that point out things like He is spirit and must be worshiped in spirit and in truth, does not show partiality, awesome and mighty, sees mankind, is not thought of by the wicked, is out refuge and strength, is light, is in those who live in love and in God, etc. It's NIV, but I don't think we can totally hold this against the contents of the page.

He is orderly (Creation, the rules that governed society in the OT, the organization encouraged in the church). He is a righteous judge who is also merciful to us (Christ).

The names of God tell us something about who He is. I have misplaced my book, but here is a short list I found on BlueLetterBible.org They tell us something about who He is as someone who relates to us as our God.
El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty)
El Elyon (The Most High God)
Adonai (Lord, Master)
Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah)
Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner)
Jehovah-Raah (The Lord My Shepherd)
Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals)
Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There)
Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness)
Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You)
El Olam (The Everlasting God)
Elohim (God)
Qanna (Jealous)
Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide)
Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace)
Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)

Rev 21:5 Note: He has the power to make things new and speaks truth.

1 Tim 2:13 Note: God is faithful even when we are not.

Our Father who are in heaven...

Christ was beaten and afflicted for our sake, and we know that He is God. That says something about who he is.

That is just off the top of my head. We can use other adjectives to describe God or look at things that God has done to see how He reveals Himself to us. I would be happy to add a little more, but I must do a few other things. Yes, He is in many ways beyond language and even beyond the comprehension of our temporal and finite minds, but if we had no words to say anything of who He is, how would we ever tell others who He is?
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Are you finished describing, or is there more than you have expressed?
 
Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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Anastasia said:
Yes, and you are correct that you cannot compare the two. I can dance to rap (thanks for the crude language), but I cannot dance to Bach (though maybe after I learn to waltz). Some of us are not blessed with the ability to find rhythm in melody driven music. I grew up on more jazz/oldies than classical. I can dance to this though: Coptic hymn with some English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvypI4naU_U

If your wish art and not just lyrics that relate to more of life or the ability to dance at a social function, then I would meet your Bach and raise you this.

Greek Orthodox Christian Byzantine Music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2kG70hrAXU&feature=autoplay&list=FL9zGXnVel_hEdVnAB82Y50g&playnext=1
or Greek Orthodox Christian Byzantine Music in AgSofia Kabarnos βυζαντινή μουσική : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwFYUJb03d0&feature=related

Armenian Apostolic-Der Voghormia (Der Voghormia means Lord, have mercy, same as Kyrie Elison in Greek/Coptic, I went to an Armenian church for a while, but I should be studying Spanish instead of working on my Armenian.) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK2DBedCxQo

And for a more modern approach, Michael Gungor can play and he has awesome lyrics (His "Song for my Family" is like loves dew to the soul at times, btw, even if it isn't a "worship" song): Doxology: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzOyIkE5URs&list=FL9zGXnVel_hEdVnAB82Y50g&index=3
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Your welcome; Minuet not waltz; Thanks but not into it....too dirge like for my taste

ciao
 
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annsni

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From James Spiegel in his book "Gum, Geckos and God"

The other day I was sitting in a faculty meeting, trying not to doze off during some committee reports. As I looked around, I mused over how much each of my colleagues understands about his or her discipline. It occurred to me that if there was a single mind that possessed all of the knowledge in that room, its intelligence would be surpassed in human history. I also considered how easy it would be to trust such a person if he or she were to counsel me on some matter. From there I extrapolated: What if that person had all of the combined knowledge of everyone in Indiana? In the United States? Of the entire world population? Even if God had merely the sum of all human understanding, he should be easy to trust. Yet his wisdom and knowledge infinitely exceed the best human comprehension.
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That's incomprehensible enough!!
 
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Anastasia

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Earth said:
BTW...prefer doxology simple & straight away.

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/p/r/praisegf.htm
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Unless it is a nice liturgical church, I doubt I would fit in at a church that played that. Hmm, this is like an ineffective lullaby of my youth. I wish the piano wasn't so sleepy sounding. Maybe an organ or electric keyboard, and a violin instead of just singing to accompany it? I wonder how that would sound on electric violin.
 
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Anastasia

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Earth said:
Your welcome; Minuet not waltz; Thanks but not into it....too dirge like for my taste

ciao
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Whatever. My classical radio station on my car comes through poorly, and some pieces they play have that tone makes me cringe and may have been the first indications of sound-triggered migraines that I just learned I get. (Yes, I have a valid medical excuse to not listen to classical, although that particular headache came from a pop song I hope to never hear again.)

Perhaps we will never quite settle the style dispute but should settle for the substance being more important and let God lead people to the environment (a sum of more that just how the music is played) that most meets the needs of each person.
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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Anastasia said:
Unless it is a nice liturgical church, I doubt I would fit in at a church that played that. Hmm, this is like an ineffective lullaby of my youth. I wish the piano wasn't so sleepy sounding. Maybe an organ or electric keyboard, and a violin instead of just singing to accompany it?
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Many times, it is sung without any musical accompaniment.

Are you familiar with the "Old School" Baptist movement?
 
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Anastasia

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Earth said:
Many times, it is sung without any musical accompaniment.

Are you familiar with the "Old School" Baptist movement?
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We probably sang it at my old Lutheran church back in the day a couple of times.

I am familiar with Westburrow and with liberal or really delightfully nerdy baptists. I have some awareness of Southern Baptists. The variety of Baptists is something I have only recently started to become aware of.
 
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12strings

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Seriously...

No one here is saying they can fully describe God...

...And no one here is saying that that we can't describe anything at all about God.

Let it go.
 
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annsni

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Anastasia said:
I don't understand.
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Being indescribable means that they cannot be comprehensively described. Yes, we can try to describe Him and do so in an incomplete way. To me, it's like trying to explain tonight's sunset to a blind person. There are just not words enough to describe that could cover that which they can't understand. Make sense?
 
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12strings

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You may be surprised how music desires can change over the years. In college I was part of a group that had to sing the song "Come, Now is the Time to worship" nearly every night for 8 weeks durring a summer tour to different churches. It got very old very fast, and I had no desire to sing that song ever again.

A few weeks ago at church, the song came into my head and I decided to place it at the beginning of the service, and It was actually a great song to begin a service with. (We sang the 1st verse only, the second verse is a bit hokey in my opinion). Not a very deep song, I know, but a good way to invite people to begin focusing on God.

I would say the same thing to a person who can't stand old hymns...there will probably come a time when an old hymn will mean a great deal to you.
 
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