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Lets talk about EV'S!

Salty

Salty

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From a letter to Dear Abby:

Should vehicle charging be provided as an amenity to an overnight house-guest?
When my family visits our vacation home, they have gotten intohait of plugging in their hybrid vehicles when they arrive. They live only an hour away and don't "need" the additional range to return home. Their vehicles can cost about $30 to charge. Are they taking advantage of our hospitality, or is this the cost of having the company?
Unsure in California

Dear Unsure
Does this happen regularly? If the answer is yes, and the cost of the electricity creates a burden for you, However, if it doesn't then I would consider it a part of hospitality I have extended.

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If she lives in Calif - tell them to "electric up" at Nancy P's house.

Too bad the politicians didnt totally think this thur!

One thing to keep in mind - when it takes forever for a bill to get thru congress
just remember - some members are trying to look ahead to see what might happen.
 
KenH

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' "A conservative rule of thumb is that an electric car gets 3 to 4 miles per kWh,” Voelcker says. “So divide the total miles you drive each month by 3 to get the kWh you would use monthly. Multiply that number by your cost per kWh." ...

Let’s say you drive about 1,183 miles per month (Americans drive an average of about 14,200 miles annually). For an EV, you will use about 394 kWh in that timeframe. Using the U.S. household average from June 2022 of about 15 cents per kWh, it would cost about $59 per month to charge an electric car. '

- from How Much Does it Cost to Charge an Electric Car? - Kelley Blue Book (kbb.com)
 
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Salty

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BUT THE POINT is - Does an invite to your home include allowing your guest to "fill up" the battery with electricity? Regardless of how much it would add to your electric bill?

When I was young - we lived in the country - and my dad had a 500 gallon gas tank.
If that was your tank - would you expect your friends to ask for a fill up???
 
KenH

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Salty said:
BUT THE POINT is - Does an invite to your home include allowing your guest to "fill up" the battery with electricity? Regardless of how much it would add to your electric bill?

When I was young - we lived in the country - and my dad had a 500 gallon gas tank.
If that was your tank - would you expect your friends to ask for a fill up???
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I was just curious how much it would cost for just one charge since $30 for a single charge seemed rather high. So I looked it up. If it costs $30 at their vacation home for one charge, then they must have a really, really high kWh charge.

What amenities people choose to provide relatives, friends, acquaintances is up to them.
 
Salty

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KenH said:
I was just curious how much it would cost for just one charge since $30 for a single charge seemed rather high. So I looked it up. If it costs $30 at their vacation home for one charge, then they must have a really, really high kWh charge.
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They do live in Californina!

KenH said:
What amenities people choose to provide relatives, friends, acquaintances is up to them.
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What if you don't want to - but they press you to do so?
 
KenH

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Salty said:
I would - but so many people today are wishy-washy
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People have always been wishy-washy:

1 Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
 
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If they were close enough friends that I would allow them to stay at my house, I would consider them close enough friends that I would not think twice about letting them charge up their car. But having said that, there are not that many people I would allow to stay out my home other than close family. And as far as close family is concerned, we could discuss it and come up with a compromise that should make everyone happy.
 
canadyjd

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I guess I would say, “I’m sorry but the electricity that comes into my home is generated by a coal powered plant and I’m trying to lower my carbon footprint to help stop global climate change. You understand don’t you?”

peace to you
 
Salty

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We are getting off OP
We are talking about guests using your electricity to juice up their cars
and more specifically the cost - which in the OP is $30
 
Baptist Believer

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Salty said:
We are getting off OP
We are talking about guests using your electricity to juice up their cars
and more specifically the cost - which in the OP is $30
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If I have several house guests, it costs me more than $30 a meal to feed them, since I tend to make special meals for guests.

I wouldn't mind.
 
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Salty said:
We are getting off OP
We are talking about guests using your electricity to juice up their cars
and more specifically the cost - which in the OP is $30
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Yes, as the usual falsehoods are being posted to disparage BEV's.

Your OP asked a good question about house guests using the facilities and running up a significant bill for the home-owner. Two examples come to mind, lowering the set-point and running the AC non-stop, and charging a BEV more than the daily driving need, of say 12 KWhs. At 20 cents per KWh, the nightly cost ($2.40) would be insignificant.

Now lets look at the 1200 mile a month driver, getting 4 miles per KWh for a monthly usage of 300 KWhs or about 10 KWhs per day on average. Lets say the BEV is nearly out of charge and has a 60 KWh recharge capacity. Thus the overnight charge would be about 5 times more than the daily driving amount, or about $12.00.
 
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BEV disparagement charges.

1) Foreign countries control the supply of battery elements.
LFP batteries are made from materials available from friendly countries, such as Canada.​

2) BEV batteries are vulnerable to "thermal run-a way" fires.
Yes, but LFP batteries are far less vulnerable.​

3) BEVs cost way more than gas powered cars.
Yes, luxurious SUV's do cost way more, but you can buy a low mileage Chevy Volt for about $25,000, and charge overnight using a regular 120 V outlet.​

4) The real disparagement of BEV's is the insane move to mandate usage rather than rely on market forces.
 
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