Liberal or not?

[Silverhair]

I Tim 3:2 A bishop .must be...the husband of ONE WIFE...
I Tim 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of ONE WIFE

If a woman has a wife - well, she has another problem......

Then perhaps you can take that up with Paul.
Rom 16:1 I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant G1249 of the church in Cenchrea,
Phebe, who carried the Roman epistle to its destination, was a deaconess in a local church (Rom_16:1). Wiersbe Bible Commentary

If we held fast to all the qualifications for positions in the church then it is doubtful that we would have many people doing anything in the church. Paul was living in a patriarchal society where women had no standing. I am just surprised that you would think that women should be considered second class in the church. When God says we are all equal and we all can be given gifts of His choosing then who are you to question whom He gives those gifts to.

It just seems I have more faith in the Holy Spirit than some of you on here.

 

[Silverhair]

A little selective with Wiersbe aren't you? Here is the very next paragraphs:

Respecting authority (vv. 12–15). Women are permitted to teach. Older women should teach the younger women (Titus 2:3–4). Timothy was taught at home by his mother and grandmother (2 Tim. 1:5; 3:15). But in their teaching ministry, they must not “lord it over” men. There is nothing wrong with a godly woman instructing a man in private (Acts 18:24–28), but she must not assume authority in the church and try to take the place of a man. She should exercise “quietness” and help keep order in the church. Paul gave several arguments to back up this admonition that the Christian men in the church should be the spiritual leaders. The first is an argument from creation: Adam was formed first, and then Eve (1 Tim. 2:12–13). (Paul used this same argument in 1 Cor. 11:1–10.) We must keep in mind that priority does not mean superiority. Man and woman were both created by God and in God’s image. The issue is only authority: man was created first. The second argument has to do with man’s fall into sin. Satan deceived the woman into sinning (Gen. 3:1ff.; 2 Cor. 11:3); the man sinned with his eyes wide open. Because Adam rejected the God-given order, h....

I agree that she should not "assume" the authority and “lord it over” men so as to act superior but I still maintain that if any person is gifted by the Holy Spirit then I will trust what the Holy Spirit has done. As for men they should be the leaders but we have seen how many end up abusing that position and most will not step up.

This is just us going around in circles as you see scripture that holds women back and I see scripture the are equal and gifted by the Holy Spirit. Our points of view are not going to change.

 

[Salty]

Then perhaps you can take that up with Paul. ...

NO - I am taking it up with you! -
So are those two verses in Timothy NOT inspired? or what?

 

[Silverhair]

"So What?" I guess what you should ask if what do you do with the writings of Paul? You believe they are inspired? You believe the Holy Spirit is Bi-POLAR? You have some serious theologial issues to reconcile. You really think The Holy Spirit calls people to act in rebellion to The Word?

Do you really think the Holy Spirit does not know what He is doing?

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

My thought, which was already mentioned here, is that there is spiritual authority in the position of administering the the Lord's supper. It is not a position fit for a woman.

I can envision scenarios where it could be withheld and a woman should not be making that decision as per Timothy.

 

[Reformed1689]

I agree that she should not "assume" the authority and “lord it over” men so as to act superior but I still maintain that if any person is gifted by the Holy Spirit then I will trust what the Holy Spirit has done. As for men they should be the leaders but we have seen how many end up abusing that position and most will not step up.

This is just us going around in circles as you see scripture that holds women back and I see scripture the are equal and gifted by the Holy Spirit. Our points of view are not going to change.

And you see Scripture incorrectly and ignore passages so I really don't care what you think at this point to be honest. You ignore Scripture for this "The Holy Spirit Tells Me" theology that leads to all kinds of error.

 

[Reformed1689]

Do you really think the Holy Spirit does not know what He is doing?

No, we think you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Reformed1689]

I am just surprised that you would think that women should be considered second class in the church.

Strawman argument. With your reasoning, we should be ok with Gay Marriage. That is your position taken to its logical conclusion. Gender doesn't matter for anything etc etc

 

[Silverhair]

NO - I am taking it up with you! -
So are those two verses in Timothy NOT inspired? or what?

The bible is inspired and that is the whole bible so when the Holy Spirit gives gifts to various people then I trust that He knows what he is doing, don't you?

Gal 3:26-27 tells me we are all the same in Christ Jesus and 1Co 12:7-11 shows me the Holy Spirit distributes various gifts to be used in and for the enrichment of the body. You want to hold that women are second class Christians that is your choice but it is not mine.

Would you not consider prophesying to be a form of teaching, I do. 1Co 11:5 But every woman who prays or prophesies...

 

[Silverhair]

No, we think you don't know what you are talking about.

Just going by scripture.

 

[Silverhair]

Strawman argument. With your reasoning, we should be ok with Gay Marriage. That is your position taken to its logical conclusion. Gender doesn't matter for anything etc etc

Now you are being insulting, but that is the last resort for those that have a failed argument.

 

[Silverhair]

And you see Scripture incorrectly and ignore passages so I really don't care what you think at this point to be honest. You ignore Scripture for this "The Holy Spirit Tells Me" theology that leads to all kinds of error.

No, scripture shows me what the Holy Spirit does and since He is God, well do I need say any more?

 

[Reynolds]

Do you really think the Holy Spirit does not know what He is doing?

I think you mistake works of the flesh for works of The Spirit. Are you really going to try to continue your argument that The Holy Spirit acts in opposition to The Word and defies prohibitions plainly set forth in The Word?
You know, snake handlers think The Holy Spirit has anointed them to handle rattlesnakes.
If you see an action that opposes the plain command of Scripture, rest assured it is NOT the Holy Spirit doing it.

 

[Salty]

The bible is inspired and that is the whole bible so when the Holy Spirit gives gifts to various people then I trust that He knows what he is doing, don't you?..

Good - but when are you going to answer my orginial question? If a woman has a wife - is that a problem?

Gal 3:26-27 tells me we are all the same in Christ Jesus and 1Co 12:7-11 shows me the Holy Spirit distributes various gifts to be used in and for the enrichment of the body. You want to hold that women are second class Christians that is your choice but it is not mine.
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Lets take verses in context!

Lets look at Heb 5:13
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Paul tells us that we are NOT all the same - some need the milk some need meat.

and where am I saying that women are second class Christians

Are men second class people because they cannot birth a baby?

All men are not qualified to be a pastor or a deacon - does that make them second class?
Even some women cannot bare children- are they second class.

You even mentioned " When God says we are all equal and we all can be given gifts "
NO - we are not all equal - some have multiple gifts -others may only have one gift
IF we were all equal - then we would ALL have all the gifts - but we are NOT equal

Now please be equal and please answer my question from the first paragraph in this post,
which I originally asked in post # 74


And while we are at it - are you a member of a Fundamental Baptist church?

 

[Reformed1689]

Now you are being insulting, but that is the last resort for those that have a failed argument.

Actually I was dead serious.

 

[Reformed1689]

Just going by scripture.

No you aren't. You are ignoring Scripture and going on feelings.

 

[Reynolds]

And you tend to disagree with the Holy Spirit. God has made us all one in Christ Jesus and when the Holy Spirit gives gifts to any of us those gifts are to be used to build up the body. Who are you to tell the Holy Spirit who can are can not teach?

Do you believe Pauline Epistles are inspired?

 

[Silverhair]

I think you mistake works of the flesh for works of The Spirit. Are you really going to try to continue your argument that The Holy Spirit acts in opposition to The Word and defies prohibitions plainly set forth in The Word?
You know, snake handlers think The Holy Spirit has anointed them to handle rattlesnakes.
If you see an action that opposes the plain command of Scripture, rest assured it is NOT the Holy Spirit doing it.

Well if you do not want to trust what the Holy Spirit van do then that is your choice.

 

[Salty]

I wonder why Silverhair refuses to answer my questions?????

 

[Silverhair]

Good - but when are you going to answer my orginial question? If a woman has a wife - is that a problem?



Lets take verses in context!

Lets look at Heb 5:13
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Paul tells us that we are NOT all the same - some need the milk some need meat.

and where am I saying that women are second class Christians

Are men second class people because they cannot birth a baby?

All men are not qualified to be a pastor or a deacon - does that make them second class?
Even some women cannot bare children- are they second class.

You even mentioned " When God says we are all equal and we all can be given gifts "
NO - we are not all equal - some have multiple gifts -others may only have one gift
IF we were all equal - then we would ALL have all the gifts - but we are NOT equal

Now please be equal and please answer my question from the first paragraph in this post,
which I originally asked in post # 74


And while we are at it - are you a member of a Fundamental Baptist church?

Gentlemen we can go around this circle until we are all called home and it will not change what I see in the bible.

If a woman has a wife - is that a problem? It is a sin.
NO i am not FBC.

You want to see this from one point of view I see it from another. That is just the way it is. You say you see scripture as inspired so do I.