Libertarianism is Pro-Life

[KenH]

"Libertarianism is not simply a litany of liberties. Freedom without responsibility towards others is license, not libertarianism. There is no right to rape, to steal, or to imperil another's life by driving carelessly. Aggression against others is criminal behavior. All libertarians concede that everyone has the right to control his or her own body. Pro-life libertarians recognize that this right does not countenance injury to an unborn human being."

Libertarians for Life - Libertarianism is Pro-Life: An Introduction

 

[Wingman68]

Ignore. There is no black or white here. Who cares? It is a discussion to nowhere. Are we so anxious to put ourselves in a box that someone else created to give us an identity? Reminds me of other discussions here where people argue for their position in their belief’s which will only be answered in God’s time, not in this time which He gives us. We should do better.

 

[JonC]

I think we need to keep in mind that within any group of people there are various positions.

The Democrat Party platform is pro-abortion. Many Democrats are not.

The position of the Libertarian Party is pro-abortion. Many who support that platform do not hold that paticular view of abortion.

The issue is that anti-abortion Democrats and anti-abortion Libertarians support pro-abortion agendas with their votes (while, granted, often objecting to abortion with their voices).

 

[KenH]

The position of the Libertarian Party is pro-abortion.

The position of the Libertarian Party is that government should stay out of the abortion issue - neither subsidizing it nor banning it as a medical procedure. About 1/3 of Libertarians(or as best as can be measured) are pro-life. Personally, I am opposed to any medical procedure whose primary purpose is to kill another human being - born or unborn. As per the U.S. Constitution, Amendment 10, if a state wishes to legislate on this issue, then it certainly can do so within the boundaries of its own state constitution.

 

[JonC]

The position of the Libertarian Party is that government should stay out of the abortion issue - neither subsidizing it nor banning it as a medical procedure.

Where it fails with abortion is in "leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration." This is the "pro-choice" position.

Anytime a political party decides that the taking of a childs life is a "question to each person for their conscientious consideration" rather than a wrong the government should protect against that party is "pro-choice" regardless of which option they would personally choose.

Guarding rights (to include the right to life), and is a fundamental role of the government.

 

[KenH]

"...it's flatly incorrect to suggest that opposition to legal abortion is irreconcilable with the belief system that places a person in the libertarian camp."

Why I Am a Pro-Life Libertarian

 

[Reynolds]

The position of the Libertarian Party is that government should stay out of the abortion issue - neither subsidizing it nor banning it as a medical procedure. About 1/3 of Libertarians(or as best as can be measured) are pro-life. Personally, I am opposed to any medical procedure whose primary purpose is to kill another human being - born or unborn. As per the U.S. Constitution, Amendment 10, if a state wishes to legislate on this issue, then it certainly can do so within the boundaries of its own state constitution.

That is a cop out position. Should government stay out of dealing with murder? Should it be legal to murder adults? Why should it be legal to murder innocent babies?

 

[Reynolds]

"...it's flatly incorrect to suggest that opposition to legal abortion is irreconcilable with the belief system that places a person in the libertarian camp."

Why I Am a Pro-Life Libertarian

You can say what you want, but at the end of the day you are voting for candidates and a party that seeks to keep murder of the innocent legal.

 

[Reynolds]

The position of the Libertarian Party is that government should stay out of the abortion issue - neither subsidizing it nor banning it as a medical procedure. About 1/3 of Libertarians(or as best as can be measured) are pro-life. Personally, I am opposed to any medical procedure whose primary purpose is to kill another human being - born or unborn. As per the U.S. Constitution, Amendment 10, if a state wishes to legislate on this issue, then it certainly can do so within the boundaries of its own state constitution.

According to 14th Ammendment, ALL have the protection of the COTUS.

 

[Revmitchell]

The position of the Libertarian Party is that government should stay out of the abortion issue - .

Should government stay out of the murdering your neighbor issue?

 

[Reynolds]

Should government stay out of the murdering your neighbor issue?

If we as Christians moved the narrative, the discussion would be much harder for the left. We should ALWAYS refer to abortion as murder. The medical evidence is now overwhelming that the "fetus" is a human life separate from the mother. We as Christians then do stupid things like offering rape and incest provision. Should an innocent baby die for the sins of his father? A product of rape is just as much a human being as a baby conceived in marriage is a human being. Then we do stupid stuff like rape and incest provision that undermines our own argument.

 

[Revmitchell]

If we as Christians moved the narrative, the discussion would be much harder for the left. We should ALWAYS refer to abortion as murder. The medical evidence is now overwhelming that the "fetus" is a human life separate from the mother. We as Christians then do stupid things like offering rape and incest provision. Should an innocent baby die for the sins of his father? A product of rape is just as much a human being as a baby conceived in marriage is a human being. Then we do stupid stuff like rape and incest provision that undermines our own argument.

Or say that government should stay out of the abortion issue. That is not pro-life.

 

[Reynolds]

Or say that government should stay out of the abortion issue. That is not pro-life.

No. That is saying it should remain legal. Only government can make it illegal.

 

[JonC]

"...it's flatly incorrect to suggest that opposition to legal abortion is irreconcilable with the belief system that places a person in the libertarian camp."

Why I Am a Pro-Life Libertarian

There are pro-life people in the Republican, Democrat, and Libertarian camps. This is a given.

The problem is that the "pro-life" people in the Libertarian and Democrat Camps are supporting the idea that a child's life is dependent on the choice of other people.

Sometimes the platforms we support speak more loudly than the words we use. In the end, perhaps this is appropriate as what we support (what we do) has the power to impact lives in a way that what we believe (our opinions) may not.

I may advocate teetotalism, but if I put my money in Budweiser because I believe it a sound financial investment then I am encouraging by support what I oppose vocally. My belief does not have the same impact as my actions.

And here we are talking about killing children, not alcohol consumption. I think we have to be careful about the blood we advocate being spilled as we will be held (IMHO) accountable for our choices in life.

 

[KenH]

The problem is that the "pro-life" people in the Libertarian and Democrat Camps are supporting the idea that a child's life is dependent on the choice of other people.

One is always dealing with a mixed bag when supporting a political party or a political candidate. Abortion is only one among a plethora of issues in a party or candidate’s platform.

 

[Revmitchell]

If one is not for making sure unborn children are completely protected from being slaughtered in the womb one is not pro-life.

 

[KenH]

If one is not for making sure unborn children are completely protected from being slaughtered in the womb one is not pro-life.

Is there a political party that has a platform plank that prohibits 100% of abortions for any and every reason?

 

[KenH]

I may advocate teetotalism, but if I put my money in Budweiser because I believe it a sound financial investment then I am encouraging by support what I oppose vocally

By investing in Budweiser you would be helping to produce the means of providing alcoholic beverages that you would oppose. The government staying out of the abortion issue does not help produce the means for abortion to take place. In fact, abortion could be totally legal and not a single abortion has to take place. Broadly speaking, I really wish we would get past the point in our politics where people of various political persuasions would stop wanting to use government force to ban what they don’t like and to subsidize what they do like.

 

[JonC]

Is there a political party that has a platform plank that prohibits 100% of abortions for any and every reason?

I don't know. I suppose the Republican Party is the closest. As with anything there are exceptions (in the Bible this is even true of killing another man). But the rule does not have to include the exceptions. With abortion the exception would be the less than 1% that need to be considered (e.g., to save the life of the mother).

Of the parties, I would most favor the Libertarian Party except for a few issues. For me, the few issues are moral and determine my vote.

1. From a Christian standpoint I cannot affirm the idea that gender identity should have no impact on child custody and adoption.

2. I do not believe that the government should be silent when it comes to the killing of our unborn children. Our government has the responsibility to protect these children, not to leave it up to states or personal preference.

So, politically I would agree with you. Morally I do not.

By definition the Libertarian Party is Pro-Choice:

" we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."

 

[Revmitchell]

Governments job is to protect the innocent. That has always been true in America. Since the far left is using the government to slaughter innocent unborn children, it is necessary to protect them. Conservatives do not believe in no government but limited government. This is a limited government function.