Libertarianism is Pro-Life

[JonC]

One is always dealing with a mixed bag when supporting a political party or a political candidate. Abortion is only one among a plethora of issues in a party or candidate’s platform.

It is only one issue. I agree.

My objection to the Libertarian and Democratic parties is over a moral issue - abortion. If I agreed 99.99% with the Libertarian party (which is not far off from the truth) but they affirm the right of a state or person to kill a child then I will not support that party. If this means my loss of freedoms then so be it. I will not support abortion with my voice because I believe that we are responsible for what we support.

I believe that we will be held accountable. I already have enough to answer for without adding the killing of children to the list.

 

[KenH]

So, politically I would agree with you.

As this is a forum for discussing politics, that sounds good to me.

 

[KenH]

I believe that we will be held accountable. I already have enough to answer for without adding the killing of children to the list.

So in order to avoid your personal accountability for the wrongdoing of others, do you also insist on a government ban on all sexual relations outside of marriage?

 

[JonC]

So in order to avoid your personal accountability for the wrongdoing of others, do you also insist on a government ban on all sexual relations outside of marriage?

While I believe the government's stand on the issue is reflective of the nation as a whole, I do not care what the government does about marriage. I do not want to see people mistreated for their gender identity.

 

[KenH]

While I believe the government's stand on the issue is reflective of the nation as a whole, I do not care what the government does about marriage. I do not want to see people mistreated for their gender identity.

So, just for clarification, do you insist that a political party advocate for a complete ban on abortion and anything short of that is not pro-life, but you do not insist that a political party advocate for a complete ban on fornication and anything short of that is not pro-morality? Is that where you are at?

 

[JonC]

As this is a forum for discussing politics, that sounds good to me.

I know we all have to prioritize our values and allow for compromise should we engage secular politics.

What political agendas, ideologies, or rights would make you support a party that believes the killing of children should be a personal decision?

So, just for clarification, do you insist that a political party advocate for a complete ban on abortion and anything short of that is not pro-life, but you do not insist that a political party advocate for a complete ban on fornication and anything short of that is not pro-morality? Is that where you are at?

I do not advocate legislating morality. I do advocate a ban on killing children.

So I do not advocate a ban on fornication. But I do advocate child molestation being illegal. (Do you see the difference?)

 

[KenH]

As neither the Republican, Democratic, or Libertarian platforms call for the government to ban all abortions, if one is going to inject a personal absolutist position that a party must officially hold that position, then I don’t see how such a person can vote for any of those 3 political parties.

 

[JonC]

As neither the Republican, Democratic, or Libertarian platforms call for the government to ban all abortions, if one is going to inject a personal absolutist position that a party must officially hold that position, then I don’t see how such a person can vote for any of those 3 political parties.

Perhaps they can't vote for any of those parties.

That said, there is a huge difference between not banning all abortions without exception (the Republican Party) and advocating the life of these children as being beyong government protection and up to personal decision.

I wish there was a Libertarian Party that recognized the governments role in protecting those who cannot protect themselves. They'd probably have my vote.

But leaving the lives of children as a matter of personal preference is simply wrong. Why should the government protect children (and the elderly, mentally handicapped, etc...where ever it goes next)? Because we live in an evil world that kills the helpless and calls it choice.

What you do to the least of these.....

 

[Revmitchell]

Parties do not run for office, politicians do. I would vote for a Democrat if they held the right positions.

 

[KenH]

What political agendas, ideologies, or rights would make you support a party that believes the killing of children should be a personal decision?

Perusing the GOP 2016 platform, I read that it supported banning abortions past 20 weeks - “Over a dozen states have passed Pain-Capable Child Protection Acts prohibiting abortion after twenty weeks, the point at which current medical research shows that unborn babies can feel excruciating pain during abortions, and we call on Congress to enact the federal version.”

That doesn’t sound as strict as what you wrote.

 

[JonC]

Perusing the GOP 2016 platform, I read that it supported banning abortions past 20 weeks - “Over a dozen states have passed Pain-Capable Child Protection Acts prohibiting abortion after twenty weeks, the point at which current medical research shows that unborn babies can feel excruciating pain during abortions, and we call on Congress to enact the federal version.”

That doesn’t sound as strict as what you wrote.

We are talking about the Libertarian Platform (I am not Republican).

What political agendas, ideologies, or rights would make you support a party that believes the killing of children should be a personal decision?

In other words, the price of human life is steep. What do you get in return?

 

[KenH]

We are talking about the Libertarian Platform

The original post was about libertarianism, not the Libertarian Party.

 

[KenH]

I am a Christian libertarian. Lots of good stuff here:

https://libertarianchristians.com/

 

[Reynolds]

By investing in Budweiser you would be helping to produce the means of providing alcoholic beverages that you would oppose. The government staying out of the abortion issue does not help produce the means for abortion to take place. In fact, abortion could be totally legal and not a single abortion has to take place. Broadly speaking, I really wish we would get past the point in our politics where people of various political persuasions would stop wanting to use government force to ban what they don’t like and to subsidize what they do like.

Legalize murder of adults then. Your argument is completely illogical.

 

[Reynolds]

I am a Christian libertarian. Lots of good stuff here:

https://libertarianchristians.com/

Christian liberty comes from Christ, not those pot smoking goof balls.

 

[KenH]

Your argument is completely illogical.

Certainly would not totally discount that possibility. After all, I am a corrupt human being(Romans 3:9-18).

 

[Adonia]

Many Democrats are not.

Which ones?

 

[HankD]

OK I'm convinced. I no longer identify with ANY political party.

Legalized abortion was forced upon my country under a Republican administration.

So I am still a small "i" independent pro-life advocate.
In Washington State I am "unaffiliated".

I have also changed my opinion concerning voting for an individual with a political part affiliation.
I could/would vote for an individual no matter his/her political party affiliation if I were convinced he/she is using that party affiliation as a catalyst to be elected but has a staunch pro-life personal agenda.

e.g. Donald J. Trump.

 

[HankD]

Perusing the GOP 2016 platform, I read that it supported banning abortions past 20 weeks - “Over a dozen states have passed Pain-Capable Child Protection Acts prohibiting abortion after twenty weeks, the point at which current medical research shows that unborn babies can feel excruciating pain during abortions, and we call on Congress to enact the federal version.”

That doesn’t sound as strict as what you wrote.

Absolutely. Therefore under 20 weeks is fine?!

 

[Adonia]

Absolutely. Therefore under 20 weeks is fine?!

Like someone said before, the only way out of the abortion mess is a Federal Constitutional Amendment outlawing the procedure entirely.