Bobby Hamilton
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God created the Heavens, did he not? Or at least he said he did. Since he told us that, everything would be relevant to us. Life on other planets would be his creation, since he created the Heavens. Right?
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Life Elsewhere in the Universe
- Thread starter saturneptune
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God created the Heavens, did he not? Or at least he said he did. Since he told us that, everything would be relevant to us. Life on other planets would be his creation, since he created the Heavens. Right?
seekingthetruth
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If God does not know of others like Him then He is not all knowing. That means He is not the beginning and the end, the first and the last and only God as He claims.
He is the beginning and the end to us. How does that prove your point?
John
Bobby Hamilton
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He is the beginning and the end to us. How does that prove your point?
John
That's a rather large assumption.
seekingthetruth
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God created the Heavens, did he not? Or at least he said he did. Since he told us that, everything would be relevant to us. Life on other planets would be his creation, since he created the Heavens. Right?
The only thing that is relevent to us is what we have here on Earth, and our relationship with God. And yes, He did create OUR heavens and Earth. But what obligation would He have to reveal anything beyond what pertains to us? Life on other planets has no bearing on life here, so what does it matter?
You cannot say that there is nothing else just because God didnt inform you of it.
John
Rev, Christ died for our sins. How does that prove there is no life on other planets? Perhaps He went to those as well. Since another world would not be relevent to us in any way, why would our Bible include such information?
Our Bible was written to us on Earth.
John
But scripture says Christ died once not many times for aliens.
seekingthetruth
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That's a rather large assumption.
I am not assuming anything, I am simply saying that we just don't know.
And that it cant be proved on this side of heaven
John
Bobby Hamilton
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The only thing that is relevent to us is what we have here on Earth, and our relationship with God. And yes, He did create OUR heavens and Earth. But what obligation would He have to reveal anything beyond what pertains to us? Life on other planets has no bearing on life here, so what does it matter?
You cannot say that there is nothing else just because God didnt inform you of it.
John
If that was true, then Genesis 1:1 should've said "God created the Earth"
You're just making assumptions to go along with your devils advocate point of view.
God has no obligation to us, but what's said is said. It's there.
Bobby Hamilton
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I am not assuming anything, I am simply saying that we just don't know.
And that it cant be proved on this side of heaven
John
No, you are. Pretty blatantly, actually.
Bobby Hamilton
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The only thing that is relevent to us is what we have here on Earth, and our relationship with God. And yes, He did create OUR heavens and Earth. But what obligation would He have to reveal anything beyond what pertains to us? Life on other planets has no bearing on life here, so what does it matter?
You cannot say that there is nothing else just because God didnt inform you of it.
John
If you can assume because God doesn't tell us something that it has no bearing on us, then I can say there is nothing else just because God didn't tell us about it (when scripturally speaking, he did).
Although I don't recall saying that "there is nothing else because God didn't tell me about it"
seekingthetruth
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But scripture says Christ died once not many times for aliens.
Why would it say that? Do you know any aliens? If not, then why would it be our business. Why would we need to know?
Ok, lets go further. The Bible says that man fell into sin. How do you that if there are other worlds that they fell also? You assume that the universe centers around the Earth, and in our minds it does. But the truth is that we have no idea what the universe contains....or what is beyond it for that matter.
God is not obligated to reveal the secrets of the universe.
John
Bobby Hamilton
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I would also argue...logically...that once man left this planet and stepped one foot onto a place not named Earth...then that makes all of space relevant.
We've been to the moon, someday we might get somewhere else. We left this planet that God put us on, and have explored space.
We've been to the moon, someday we might get somewhere else. We left this planet that God put us on, and have explored space.
Deuteronomy 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
There is no other God. Case closed.
Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
There is no other God. Case closed.
Bobby Hamilton
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Why would it say that? Do you know any aliens? If not, then why would it be our business. Why would we need to know?
Ok, lets go further. The Bible says that man fell into sin. How do you that if there are other worlds that they fell also? You assume that the universe centers around the Earth, and in our minds it does. But the truth is that we have no idea what the universe contains....or what is beyond it for that matter.
God is not obligated to reveal the secrets of the universe.
John
I already said that God isn't obligated to do anything.
But he did tell us. Why would Genesis be written the way it is otherwise? Why would God so many other times in the scriptures say he is the only one. There is none like him?
freeatlast
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The Bible didnt include computers, cars, or IPhones, but they exist.
How do you know that the Bible is not just relevent to us? After it was written for us.
Look, I am not advocating that other life exists or that God wasnt alone before creation, I am simply trying to point out that the Bible only reveals what God wanted us to know. Beyond that we have no clue, and to state firmly "there is no life anywhere but Earth" is an arrogant statement because we just don't know.
Since other lifeforms are not relevent to us, why would the Bible include it if it exists?
Just because the Bible doesnt mention it doesnt mean it does not exist.
This is old school traditional thinking that rejects anything out of our comfort zone.
We just dont know
Anybody who says they know for sure is not being realistic.
John
God did not create computers, cars, or Iphones. Made invented them and they have nothing to with the creation account. Everything what was made in the physical creation was made at the time of the creation and it is all spelled out. There could not be life on other planets according to scripture.
In the creation account he lists how and what was created and then says this;
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. All means all and He just named what those all is.
seekingthetruth
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If you can assume because God doesn't tell us something that it has no bearing on us, then I can say there is nothing else just because God didn't tell us about it (when scripturally speaking, he did).
Although I don't recall saying that "there is nothing else because God didn't tell me about it"
Why you getting so huffy?....and even compared me to a cultist? This is a facinating conversation, and one that really has no answers, just questions.
But I would like for you to put aside your traditional thinking, and try to understand that the Bible was written for us on Earth. If, and I do say IF, there is other life out there, our Bible was not written for them. And their existence would have no bearing on us, so why would God be obligated to tell us about them?
We have enough trouble understanding our own world and maintaining our own relationship with God without worrying about other life on other planets, so why would God give us information that would only complicate things?
God gave us what we need to know. Noone can say what exists beyond that.
John
seekingthetruth
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God did not create computers, cars, or Iphones. Made invented them and they have nothing to with the creation account. Everything what was made in the physical creation was made at the time of the creation and it is all spelled out. There could not be life on other planets according to scripture.
In the creation account he lists how and what was created and then says this;
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. All means all and He just named what those all is.
Did He state that there was no other life in the heavens?
John
Bobby Hamilton
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I'm not getting huffy at all, nor did I compare YOU to a cultist. I merely stated that what you were saying sounded like the Urantia stuff I've read about. I never stated I felt you were the way, and I don't feel that way at all based on some of your comments saying that you don't necessarily believe this yourself. You're just trying to expand.
This is a fascinating conversation. I agree. And while I, as much as anyone, would love to see some cool real life Star Wars stuff, it's just not biblically supported.
As far as the "traditional thinking" statement, that can't apply at this point, because humans have left our planet. The Universe is completely relevant to us now, because we have survived outside of the planet. People have lived at various points in space. We haven't been 100% confined to planet earth (well, yes, we have, but you see what I'm saying).
Again, you keep bringing up God's obligations to us. God really isn't obligated to anything, minus what he has already promised us in the scriptures. But he did give us a brain to think with, and spelled many things out in the scriptures.
Our complex issues for understanding things here are our own faults. Our sinful natures. Not something God has forced down upon us. You assume that God hasn't given us the insight to see it, but we can't open our eyes to understand how simple it really is.
This is a fascinating conversation. I agree. And while I, as much as anyone, would love to see some cool real life Star Wars stuff, it's just not biblically supported.
As far as the "traditional thinking" statement, that can't apply at this point, because humans have left our planet. The Universe is completely relevant to us now, because we have survived outside of the planet. People have lived at various points in space. We haven't been 100% confined to planet earth (well, yes, we have, but you see what I'm saying).
Again, you keep bringing up God's obligations to us. God really isn't obligated to anything, minus what he has already promised us in the scriptures. But he did give us a brain to think with, and spelled many things out in the scriptures.
Our complex issues for understanding things here are our own faults. Our sinful natures. Not something God has forced down upon us. You assume that God hasn't given us the insight to see it, but we can't open our eyes to understand how simple it really is.
Why you getting so huffy?....and even compared me to a cultist? This is a facinating conversation, and one that really has no answers, just questions.
But I would like for you to put aside your traditional thinking, and try to understand that the Bible was written for us on Earth. If, and I do say IF, there is other life out there, our Bible was not written for them. And their existence would have no bearing on us, so why would God be obligated to tell us about them?
We have enough trouble understanding our own world and maintaining our own relationship with God without worrying about other life on other planets, so why would God give us information that would only complicate things?
God gave us what we need to know. Noone can say what exists beyond that.
John
seekingthetruth
New Member
God did not create computers, cars, or Iphones. Made invented them and they have nothing to with the creation account. Everything what was made in the physical creation was made at the time of the creation and it is all spelled out. There could not be life on other planets according to scripture.
In the creation account he lists how and what was created and then says this;
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. All means all and He just named what those all is.
God said he created man. Does that mean that is all He created?
John
Bobby Hamilton
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Did He state that there was no other life in the heavens?
John
He specifically singled out a singular Earth. If our planet wasn't special...if our planet wasn't meant to be the only one, it wouldn't have been said that way. All of the stuff he tells us, but this one he'd just choose not to tell us?
If you want to call that narrowminded, that's fine. I think it's very open minded and a very logical way to think.
Bobby Hamilton
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God said he created man. Does that mean that is all He created?
John
LOL. This is really the question you want to ask? When he's clearly stated other things?