savedbymercy
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You teach Salvation by works !
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Limited or Definite Atonement is the Gospel !
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You teach Salvation by works !
I am quoting and citing JUST same as Jesus and His Apostles said!
Were they also under a "works salvation?"
This is a cop-out. It is a blight on Calvinism. It flies in the face of the Great Commission. Those who die without having heard the gospel in North Korea: their blood will be on our hands. How can one so glibly say: "Oh, they just weren't the elect. Therefore it's not my responsibility to be concerned for the lost. God elects whom he will and I can just sit in my easy chair and let him do the electing and do the saving." Hogwash!
In the face of such extreme Calvinism William Carey went to India, translated the Bible or parts of it into 44 different languages, set up a Bible College and trained nationals to go out and win their country for Christ. He faced persecution all the while that he was carrying on his mission.
The people in North Korea don't get saved because they don't hear the gospel. Your teaching goes directly against what the Bible teaches.
The Bible teaches in a nutshell how to be saved.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Then it gives the problem:
Romans 10:14-15 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Then cannot call or believe on the One of whom they have not heard.
They cannot hear that message without a preacher.
And that message will never get preached unless someone goes and preaches it to them. Thus the essence of missions.
The essence of Calvinism goes against this passage, doesn't believe in it.
They are not elect! They are not elect! they say!
Since when did the Calvinist become God, and know the mind of God?!
If they are not reached their blood will be on your hands. (our hands, believers' hands). We are the ones that have that have that responsibility. God is not going to do our work for us. He sent 12 disciples out at the end of his ministry and told them to evangelize the world. He had no backup plan.
I am a calvinist who DOES see it just as you do, as regarding the mission of the Church to the Great Commission!
We MUST witness world wide, as oNLY the Lord knows His own, and the Gospewl is the ordained means to have salvation brought unto the elect!
We BOTH agree MUST witness jesus, its just that you would see it as being the Gospel can save all, we see it as able to save all those God elected to get saved by ot!
I would NEVER hold to no missions, no preaching, no going out to whole world!
That would be heresy!
ONLY ones holding to that would be those holding Hyper cal/primitive baptist!
We MUST witness world wide, as oNLY the Lord knows His own, and the Gospewl is the ordained means to have salvation brought unto the elect!
We BOTH agree MUST witness jesus, its just that you would see it as being the Gospel can save all, we see it as able to save all those God elected to get saved by ot!
I would NEVER hold to no missions, no preaching, no going out to whole world!
That would be heresy!
ONLY ones holding to that would be those holding Hyper cal/primitive baptist!
savedbymercy
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You are nothing like Jesus Christ or the Apostles, for you teach a works salvation, a accursed gospel !
So do you! You claim anyone at anytime receiving the gospel by faith is committing works so how can it be anything other than the gospel of works since that is the only way it can be received - by faith? Hence, when Paul calls it the "power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth" it must be a works salvation according to you since Paul demands it is "UNTO salvation" through beleiving it??????
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Yes, But I teach that it is a work performed by the New Creation, that believing is one of the works that the New Created One has been ordained to walk unto Eph 2:10
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
I have made this clear in many previous posts, that shows how you have not paid attention or you are deliberately being deceptive or perhaps both !
Everyone believing to be more precise, and yes, it is , because everyone Believing is already a New Creature, a Spiritual Man, because a natural man cannot be believing the Gospel , for it is foolishness to him !
Yes, But I teach that it is a work performed by the New Creation, that believing is one of the works that the New Created One has been ordained to walk unto Eph 2:10
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
I have made this clear in many previous posts, that shows how you have not paid attention or you are deliberately being deceptive or perhaps both !
Everyone believing to be more precise, and yes, it is , because everyone Believing is already a New Creature, a Spiritual Man, because a natural man cannot be believing the Gospel , for it is foolishness to him !
EVERYTHING that you refer to and quote refers to Chrsitians, AFTER they have received salvation thru placing faith in chriot, but you use it to reference the before state!
THAT would be as sinners, estranged and under the judgement of god!
savedbymercy
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You teach a works salvation, accursed of God !
Which is false, that Jesus is the messiah, or that faith in Him ONLY can access salvation from God to us?
savedbymercy
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You teach a works salvation, that man is saved by his own doings !
I am saved by the Cross of Christ, and God saved me when I put faith /hope/trust unto jesus!
savedbymercy
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You deny that the Cross of Christ saved anyone in and of itself !
Why don't you stop repeating this mantra like a broken record player, and enter what most would call "intelligent debate." You have not demonstrated to this date with any evidence that faith is a work. The Bible clearly teaches that faith is not a work. So your premise is false and your entire theology falters on a false premise. Salvation is not based on works but rather on faith, as the Bible teaches. Any other position (as yours) is heresy. Have you not heard of sola fide?
Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God.
savedbymercy
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Yes I have, you rejct it. Faith/Believing is something man does, I do not care how you attempt to get around it !
Yes I have, you rejct it. Faith/Believing is something man does, I do not care how you attempt to get around it !
Exegete Romans 4:1-5 and see how you can get around that.
This passage clearly teaches that faith is not a work.
There is no way around it, not if you expound the passage honestly.
savedbymercy
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IT would be a work as you define it, IF, it added too, or else contributed ANY merit to our salvation...
It DOES NOT do that at all though, as the Cross is SOLE basis of God grace towards us!
savedbymercy
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If you claim that you are saved because you believed, then you claim salvation because of something you did, that is a work !