Little Green Men

[Aaron]

Your thinking about outer space, and life there, is formed more by fiction than by fact or faith.

The War of the Worlds Comes Down to Earth

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I especially liked this line from the article:

"But, to adapt a phrase from ufospeak, Australians ‘are not alone’."

The war of the worlds comes down to Earth - creation.com

 

[Van]

An interesting topic, but without any presentation of the biblical view. Instead we get a sales pitch, buy the book or subscribe to the pod-cast.

For those interested in the actual topic:

1) Does the bible say God did not create life elsewhere in the universe?

2) Does life existing elsewhere prove life evolved from non-life?

3) Is the speed of light a limit that cannot be exceeded, making travel outside our solar system close to impossible?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

An interesting topic, but without any presentation of the biblical view. Instead we get a sales pitch, buy the book or subscribe to the pod-cast.

For those interested in the actual topic:

1) Does the bible say God did not create life elsewhere in the universe?

2) Does life existing elsewhere prove life evolved from non-life?

3) Is the speed of light a limit that cannot be exceeded, making travel outside our solar system close to impossible?

Click on the link in my post. It just precedes your own.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

From the article:

Where do such fantastic ideas come from? As I demonstrated in my book Alien Intrusion: UFOs and the Evolution Connection belief in aliens is a logical next step if one believes that life evolved here on Earth. Today the majority of space scientists believe that life must also have evolved elsewhere in the universe.​

Haven't seen the book, but that statement glosses over some of what happened.

First, Darwin published, then Pasteur, a Christian, disproved spontaneous generation.

Evidently there have been attempts to cover up some of the history.

Louis Pasteur’s Views on Creation, Evolution, Genesis of Germs

 

[Van]

Click on the link in my post. It just precedes your own.

Thanks, your link does contain some dubious claims:

1) Does Romans 8:18-22 say the whole creation meaning physical universe groans, or does creation refer of humankind or even only born anew humankind?

2) Does 2 Peter 3:13 and Revelation 21:1 refer to the "whole universe) or only our speck?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Excerpt from an article on "directed panspermia":

The Earth is beaming with life and yet there is no consensus on how life arose or what life is. The origin of life is “one of the great unsolved mysteries of science” (Crick, F. Life Itself). While there is no accepted definition of life, most of us [humans] can easily discriminate the living from the non-living (IrisFry’s Book is a good primer on ideas regarding the origins of life). Questions about the origin of life became more prevalent after Pasteur and others showed that life did not arise spontaneously.​

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Thanks, your link does contain some dubious claims:

1) Does Romans 8:18-22 say the whole creation meaning physical universe groans, or does creation refer of humankind or even only born anew humankind?

2) Does 2 Peter 3:13 and Revelation 21:1 refer to the "whole universe) or only our speck?

Other than angels, and God of course, the Bible is essentially silent on extraterrestrial life. Its existence would not change the Gospel or any biblical doctrine, nor challenge any biblical passage.

However, the notion that the universe is teeming with natural alien life is not driven by scientific evidence but by an atheistic or other desperate worldview.

The notion that speeds well beyond that of light are possible for advanced lifeforms, or any lifeform, is not driven by scientific evidence but by flights of fancy.

 

[Alcott]

There's a lot of money in the 'ufo phenomenon,' and that's why it ain't going away. Even if a truly scientific approach sends it away at warp speed (huh-huh).

 

[tyndale1946]

There's a lot of money in the 'ufo phenomenon,' and that's why it ain't going away. Even if a truly scientific approach sends it away at warp speed (huh-huh).

Well, you know brethren there is this... Brother Glen

Hebrews 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

 

[37818]

1) Does the bible say God did not create life elsewhere in the universe?

No.

2) Does life existing elsewhere prove life evolved from non-life?

No.

3) Is the speed of light a limit that cannot be exceeded, making travel outside our solar system close to impossible?

Yes. [Travel faster than light requires going back in time which is impossible.]

 

[Aaron]

An interesting topic, but without any presentation of the biblical view. Instead we get a sales pitch, buy the book or subscribe to the pod-cast.

I didn't have to subscribe to listen to the podcast.

1) Does the bible say God did not create life elsewhere in the universe?

Genesis 6:17
The flood was a judgment on "all flesh wherein is the breath of life from under heaven"

2) Does life existing elsewhere prove life evolved from non-life?

Life does exist elsewhere. We call them angels.

3) Is the speed of light a limit that cannot be exceeded, making travel outside our solar system close to impossible?

According to the Special Theory, yes. Not according to the General Theory where c can assume a value many orders of magnitude beyond 299,792,458 m/s.

 

[Van]

To argue that the Bible teaches we are the only children of God is to interpret according to presupposition. We are certainly near the center of the biblical story of God, creation, sin, death, and redemption. But we should be careful not to make us the center of our universe. We should not add to scripture, especially to exalt ourselves.

We should stick to what the bible specifically teaches and eschew speculative assertions by those who would add to scripture.

 

[Van]

Enabling mythodgy provides the underpinning for those peddle fiction as fact. For example, repeated claims are made that science accepts that stuff with mass can go faster than the speed of light, i.e. warp speed. If UFOs are from interstellar origin, then warp speed is necessary. And if warp speed is myth, than all these speculations about UFOs are obviously hogwash. But alien life expectation arises from a belief evolution is true, life comes from non-life. And that is clearly unbiblical. The bible says the living God creates life, both mortal life and eternal life.

 

[Alcott]

But alien life expectation arises from a belief evolution is true, life comes from non-life. And that is clearly unbiblical.

Hold up on that. Of what did God make life and living things? And from what did we come, to which we shall return?

 

[Aaron]

To argue that the Bible teaches we are the only children of God is to interpret according to presupposition.

Actually not.

Ephesians 3:14-15 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.

Jesus came not merely as a man, but as the seed of Abraham, here. Hebrews 2:16 .

The name that Christ acquired was earned by His Work here. Philippians 2:8-9

The Bride is the Redeemed of the earth, Revelation 21 .

And I could go on.

 

[Yeshua1]

There's a lot of money in the 'ufo phenomenon,' and that's why it ain't going away. Even if a truly scientific approach sends it away at warp speed (huh-huh).

Think that some of it is demonic, as people report missing time, weird events, and descriptions that in earlier times would have been as Angels or Demons!

 

[percho]

Thanks, your link does contain some dubious claims:

1) Does Romans 8:18-22 say the whole creation meaning physical universe groans, or does creation refer of humankind or even only born anew humankind?

2) Does 2 Peter 3:13 and Revelation 21:1 refer to the "whole universe) or only our speck?

Is, "creation," G2937 in all or Romans relative to G2937 as used in Romans 1:20, creation of the world (system or configuration) even in 8:39 where it would be used as other or different - system or configuration?

As in the creation of the world (system or configuration) in 8:20; for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it -- in hope,

What would that say or not say about, "the creation different," in 8:39?


BTW I do not have an answer. I am just asking.

 

[Van]

Hold up on that. Of what did God make life and living things? And from what did we come, to which we shall return?

Think of a person at the instant of physical death, the body still has all the things that made up a living thing.

 

[Van]

Actually not.
Ephesians 3:14-15 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.
Jesus came not merely as a man, but as the seed of Abraham, here. Hebrews 2:16 .
The name that Christ acquired was earned by His Work here. Philippians 2:8-9
The Bride is the Redeemed of the earth, Revelation 21 .
And I could go on.

Spouting on and on does not provide biblical evidence.
1) Ephesians 3:15, claiming the "heaven" refers to what is outside of the author's knowledge is interpretation based on presupposition.
2) Hebrews 2:16 refers to humans, and that is not at issue.
3) Every name refers to the scope of things named in the mind of the author.
4) Revelation 21 refers to a new heaven and earth to replace our planet and at a minimum, our atmosphere.

Anyone can claim something, interpreted as more than the intended scope. puts humankind at the center of the universe. This is the same mistake that gave us the dark ages.