Lockdown is Nonsense at this point

[church mouse guy]

The problem is sometimes they are....and then they are all that's left .

I keep thinking of ancient Rome, and the one servant who said "I don't know if it is a good thing to use lead cups"

Let's see, a death rate of 1 or 2 per thousand. You better stay home for the next 50 years, huh?

 

[Revmitchell]

Yeah, well, the Democrats think that Joe Biden can win in November, so I wouldn't call them smart.

They are now claiming he will win by a landslide

 

[church mouse guy]

They are now claiming he will win by a landslide

What if Sleepy Joe put Michelle Obama on the ticket with him?

 

[JonC]

Let's see, a death rate of 1 or 2 per thousand. You better stay home for the next 50 years, huh?

I meant the reply tongue in cheek, but that said – both sides are twisting the data to support a desired outcome (which, of course, is what data is for).

If you get COVID-19 then you have a 7% chance of dying (based on worldwide data using the standard death rate of deaths/ cases).

If you get COVID-19 then you have a 25% chance of recovery (based on recovery rate/ cases).

Of course the results are not very useful as they are simply ratios of known data without knowing the outcome of the majority of cases or even if the data is accurate (but if we play the game we have to use the data).

The not so tongue in cheek part of my post is many (most?) people are simply choosing sides based on emotion.


It does not matter to me. I will take the precautions I believe reasonable while neither stopping my life or living in fear.

 

[Revmitchell]

What if Sleepy Joe put Michelle Obama on the ticket with him?

Not going to happen

 

[InTheLight]

What if Sleepy Joe put Michelle Obama on the ticket with him?

It's more likely that the Democrats dump Joe and select a new, younger candidate that is savvy with an online presence and can complete a thought.

 

[JonC]

Not going to happen

I'm betting he'll lean towards Abrams.

But I'm not betting money. Only words.

 

[Reformed1689]

Another thing that doesn't make sense....

Won't consider reopening our state until we have 14 consecutive days of declining cases. That makes no sense since you are ramping up testing and the cases are likely to go up. Not because more people are getting it, but because there are more we know about now.

Nonsense.

 

[JonC]

Another thing that doesn't make sense....

Won't consider reopening our state until we have 14 consecutive days of declining cases. That makes no sense since you are ramping up testing and the cases are likely to go up. Not because more people are getting it, but because there are more we know about now.

Nonsense.

Another thing to add to your list of things that do not make sense.....you are asking the government to make sense.

 

[Benjamin]

You are the same one who said that the death rate is six percent so why should we pay any attention to you?

You are the one who proclaims there are magically 50x the infection rate that is being reported in order to discount the seriousness and importance to slow the spread by dangerously manipulating the case numbers which may cause others to increase the infection, why should anyone pay attention to you?

As per the death rate the way this is calculated has explained but all you guys got is to childishly call others liars rather than address what has been explained.

CFR is case fatality rate. When dealing with statistics for infectious diseases, it is a commonly cited statistic calculated by dividing confirmed deaths by confirmed cases, by definition.

For the US it is 4.8% according to covid tracking
Most recent data

and 5.3% according to worldometer.
United States Coronavirus: 792,759 Cases and 42,514 Deaths - Worldometer

and 5.2% according to the CDC
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.

The CFR is also constantly changing with more testing and more time for cases to resolve as many cases are still active and we don’t know if they will die or not.

49,742 deaths is 5.5% of the 878.408 confirmed cases.

#1 Here is the count:

United States Coronavirus: 878,779 Cases and 49,751 Deaths - Worldometer

#2 Do the math:

https://percentagecalculator.net/

#3 Welcome to the truth.

 

[Reformed1689]

Another thing to add to your list of things that do not make sense.....you are asking the government to make sense.

More like demanding them to make sense if they are taking my rights away.

 

[JonC]

More like demanding them to make sense if they are taking my rights away.

I live in SC. You know SC.

I can ride a motorcycle without a helmet but get fined if I do not wear a seat belt.

I gave up on trying to get sence out of the whole thing.

 

[Deacon]

Being uninformed is dangerous. Making decisions without the facts can be life threatening.
The video link below is one of the most understandable teaching video’s on the COVID-19 Virus that I’ve seen.
It will bring you up to date on the virology and epidemiology of the virus in a fun, an (almost) simple, and an (almost) easy to understand way.

Knowing more about the virus will help you understand some of the headlines and some of the decisions that are being made.

Ninja Nerd Science - COVID-19 April update [LINK]

Rob

 

[just-want-peace]

I meant the reply tongue in cheek, but that said – both sides are twisting the data to support a desired outcome (which, of course, is what data is for).

If you get COVID-19 then you have a 7% chance of dying (based on worldwide data using the standard death rate of deaths/ cases).

If you get COVID-19 then you have a 25% chance of recovery (based on recovery rate/ cases).

Of course the results are not very useful as they are simply ratios of known data without knowing the outcome of the majority of cases or even if the data is accurate (but if we play the game we have to use the data).

The not so tongue in cheek part of my post is many (most?) people are simply choosing sides based on emotion.


It does not matter to me. I will take the precautions I believe reasonable while neither stopping my life or living in fear.

S L A M D U N K

 

[JonC]

Being uninformed is dangerous. Making decisions without the facts can be life threatening.
The video link below is one of the most understandable teaching video’s on the COVID-19 Virus that I’ve seen.
It will bring you up to date on the virology and epidemiology of the virus in a fun, an (almost) simple, and an (almost) easy to understand way.

Knowing more about the virus will help you understand some of the headlines and some of the decisions that are being made.

Ninja Nerd Science - COVID-19 April update [LINK]

Rob

Interesting. Thanks for posting this.

 

[church mouse guy]

You are the one who proclaims there are magically 50x the infection rate that is being reported in order to discount the seriousness and importance to slow the spread by dangerously manipulating the case numbers which may cause others to increase the infection, why should anyone pay attention to you?

As per the death rate the way this is calculated has explained but all you guys got is to childishly call others liars rather than address what has been explained.




49,742 deaths is 5.5% of the 878.408 confirmed cases.

#1 Here is the count:

United States Coronavirus: 878,779 Cases and 49,751 Deaths - Worldometer

#2 Do the math:

https://percentagecalculator.net/

#3 Welcome to the truth.

Why do you keep posting this stuff? It is not even science. The University of Southern California, a liberal source, says that the number of cases unreported is from 28 to 55 times greater than the reported cases. Do the math.

 

[church mouse guy]

It's more likely that the Democrats dump Joe and select a new, younger candidate that is savvy with an online presence and can complete a thought.

You haven't proven that there is something wrong with Joe, who probably will care California East.

 

[church mouse guy]

Not going to happen

Probably not because she knows that Biden will lose. No one really wants to go back to the stagnant Obama era, which is one of the problems that Biden has.

 

[church mouse guy]

I meant the reply tongue in cheek, but that said – both sides are twisting the data to support a desired outcome (which, of course, is what data is for).

If you get COVID-19 then you have a 7% chance of dying (based on worldwide data using the standard death rate of deaths/ cases).

If you get COVID-19 then you have a 25% chance of recovery (based on recovery rate/ cases).

Of course the results are not very useful as they are simply ratios of known data without knowing the outcome of the majority of cases or even if the data is accurate (but if we play the game we have to use the data).

The not so tongue in cheek part of my post is many (most?) people are simply choosing sides based on emotion.


It does not matter to me. I will take the precautions I believe reasonable while neither stopping my life or living in fear.

No, those statistics are all obsolete. Antibodies test from all over and more on the way have shown that it probably hit the USA in January and that up to 50 or 55 times as many people have had the Chinese flu more than the reported cases. This lowers the death rate to around the same as regular flu, maybe slightly higher, but at a rate of 1 or 2 per thousand. The last prominent test was from University of Southern California, a very liberal place, which published those results from a large test in Los Angeles. So the rate of recovery is very, very high unless you have other medical problems and are elderly.

You cannot use worldwide data because several countries are not publishing the truth. No one knows how many cases are in Communist China. Cuba is certainly lying. Do you really believe Putin? Do you believe the Islamic world?

The best result came from Taiwan, where people were prepared from Sars and knew that Communist China was dirty, lying, and ruthless. Taiwan had N95 masks for every man, woman, and child and they were able to keep their businesses and schools and everything open. The USA in contrast was totally unprepared and you still cannot buy an N95 mask in the Indianapolis area as the hospitals do not have adequate reserves for a pandemic as Indiana University Medical School was not thinking about a pandemic. The CDC was working on finding a cure for racism and Islamaphobia and they were not prepared for a pandemic. Their warehouses were empty.

 

[JonC]

No, those statistics are all obsolete. Antibodies test from all over and more on the way have shown that it probably hit the USA in January and that up to 50 or 55 times as many people have had the Chinese flu more than the reported cases. This lowers the death rate to around the same as regular flu, maybe slightly higher, but at a rate of 1 or 2 per thousand. The last prominent test was from University of Southern California, a very liberal place, which published those results from a large test in Los Angeles. So the rate of recovery is very, very high unless you have other medical problems and are elderly.

You cannot use worldwide data because several countries are not publishing the truth. No one knows how many cases are in Communist China. Cuba is certainly lying. Do you really believe Putin? Do you believe the Islamic world?

The best result came from Taiwan, where people were prepared from Sars and knew that Communist China was dirty, lying, and ruthless. Taiwan had N95 masks for every man, woman, and child and they were able to keep their businesses and schools and everything open. The USA in contrast was totally unprepared and you still cannot buy an N95 mask in the Indianapolis area as the hospitals do not have adequate reserves for a pandemic as Indiana University Medical School was not thinking about a pandemic. The CDC was working on finding a cure for racism and Islamaphobia and they were not prepared for a pandemic. Their warehouses were empty.

Here's the problem:

One side uses the data we have avaliable. As long as they acknowledge their conclusions are based on the data we have then their conclusions are at least supported.

The other side denies the accuracy of the data. They just provide a conclusion based on circumstances they hope will come to pass.

I believe the flaw is in the unknown. I respect the science (those who use the data) and the reasonable challenge to the accuracy of the data.

You cannot prove the data wrong. You can only say you doubt it's accuracy and the largest segment has an unknown outcome. And I agree.