London Baptist Confession of 1689: Do you hold to it?

No, I was not kidding. Paul never claimed to be elect. John never claimed to be elect.

If you have Scripture that says Paul or John called themselves elect, produce it please.

 

Have read it many times. Says nothing of elect there, now does it?

That word chosen in that verse does not mean 'elect'.

1) to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one's self 1a) choosing one out of many, i.e. Jesus choosing his disciples 1b) choosing one for an office 1c) of God choosing whom he judged fit to receive his favours and separated from the rest of mankind to be peculiarly his own and to be attended continually by his gracious oversight 1c1) i.e. the Israelites 1d) of God the Father choosing Christians, as those whom he set apart from the irreligious multitude as dear unto himself, and whom he has rendered, through faith in Christ, citizens in the Messianic kingdom: (James 2:5) so that the ground of the choice lies in Christ and his merits only
Origin: middle voice from 1537 and 3004 (in its primary sense); TDNT - 4:144,505; v
Usage: AV - choose 19, choose out 1, make choice 1; 21

5668 Tense - Aorist (See 5777) Voice - Middle (See 5785) Mood - Indicative (See 5791) Count - 88

 

Here we go again with the "elect after you believe" or "God predestined people to be elect based on His foreknowedge of who would believe."

Oy vey.

 

There are certain that are elect. John did not call himself elect, neither did Paul... but both are saved.

Saved does not necessarily mean elect, nor elect saved.

 

The LBC of 1689 has I believe the best statement on the Scriptures of any of the Baptist Confessional Statements.

I particularly like paragraphs 9 & 10

 

Rather than say 'What nonsense...', produce Scripture that emphatically shows every saved person is elect.

Seems like every time I show Scripture to substantiate my beleifs, many want to argue the stand but cannot produce anything to refute it.

If the Scripture is there it should not be a hard task.

 

Scripture speaks Jesus Christ being elect... does that mean He had to be saved? No... it does not.

Which further proves that elect does not mean saved.

 

Elect means chosen to be saved.
Elect means chosen for a purpose.
Scripture even references elect angels.

These groups do not necessarily overlap, especially the angels. But if you are saved, it is because you are elect to be saved.

 

Elect angels, yes. Angels cannot get saved. They are either already Angels of God, or Angels of the devil.

Contrary to many false religions, people do not become angels once they die.

So, that further proves elect does not mean saved. Elect is chosen, but not saved.

 

Npet said that elect means chosen to be saved . I agree .

The elect are indeed chosen . In their earthly lives they receive salvation -- God has ordained such . All the elect will be saved nary a one will fall through the cracks .

Yes there are elect angels . They have no need of salvation . The fallen angels ( demons ) can't be saved . It's a funny thing that synergists on the BB don't complain about the injustice of God in not granting salvation to the fallen angels . But O the hue and cry that ascends when the Lord's distinguishing grace is maintained by those who believe in particular redemption !


Do you really need to state the obvious -- that "people do not become angels when they die" ? I don't see any Mormon posters here -- so far . Even "Highway To Heaven" fans don't believe that stuff .

 

Of course you agree. You are of Calvinistic persuasion... as is npetreley.

Fortunately, the Bible says elect means differently that you are saying.

 

If it is not hard to prove, Dale, prove it... instead of just saying it is not hard to prove.