Lordship Salvation volume 2

[DHK]

I am a little confused here. What does Matt 7 have to do with anything I said?

You quoted it even if you didn't realize it. Look back to what you said:

All Christians are disciples, but not all who claim to be disciples are Christians. many will say Lord, Lord, only to hear I never knew you.

You quoted Mat.7:21 here.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Then Jesus called the crowd to himself along with his disciples and said to them, "If anyone wants to follow me, he must deny himself, pick up his cross, and follow me continually.

Mar 8:35 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and for the gospel will save it.

Mar 8:36 For what profit will a person have if he gains the whole world and forfeits his life?

This statement is not adressing salvation.

This is refering to being a fruitfull, profitable diciple of Christ.

Salvation requires nothing other than faith in Christ.

 

[DHK]

Yes and all Christians keep the commandments.
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

If a person is not keeping them they are a liar according to scripture.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

All Christians don't keep his commandments.
Here is an example of what Washer says:
http://www.sohmer.net/media/How_Do_You_Know_You_Are_Not_a_Counterfeit_Christian.pdf

Washer noted that many of us:
�� watch things we shouldn’t on TV
�� laugh about things God hates
�� wear sensual clothing
�� talk like the world
�� walk like the world
�� love the music of the world
�� love so much of what’s in the world

Many say, “But I’m a Christian because I prayed a prayer to ask Jesus into my heart.”

Page 3 of 6 A Synopsis of Paul Washer’s sermon, How Do You Know You’re Not a Counterfeit Christian?

Go back and do a search on worldliness and other related topics.
What we should watch on TV?
What kind of jokes we should or should not tell?
What kind of clothes we should wear--no pants or jeans on women--only skirts and dresses below the knees. Right?
What our talk should be like; our conversation?
What our behavior should be like--places we should go to or avoid?
The music we should listen--CCM come to mind?
And most of all agree what is called "worldiness" I am sure that we all agree on this. Right.

If you don't agree with Washer; if you fit into these categories; then friend you are not saved, even if you did ask "Jesus into your heart."

And that is not Scriptural.

 

[preacher4truth]

You are right. It is dealing with the Kingdom. Matthew wrote this gospel, and his audience was primarily the Jews. There are more OT references and prophecies relating to Christ as Messiah in this Gospel than in any other. These three chapters don't deal with salvation at all, just as the beatitudes don't deal with salvation. He is writing about various subjects in relation to the Kingdom--nothing to do with salvation.

Well, keep trying.

Obviously those in the kingdom are saved, and those without are not.

I'd suggest taking a look at D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones "Studies on the Sermon on the Mount" and maybe Robert Harris "The Way to true Happiness."

Surely the Lord here speaks of those saved and those who are not, so you are incorrect that it is not dealing with those who are and who are not under true salvation.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

You are right. [The Sermon on the Mount] is dealing with the Kingdom. Matthew wrote this gospel, and his audience was primarily the Jews. There are more OT references and prophecies relating to Christ as Messiah in this Gospel than in any other. These three chapters don't deal with salvation at all, just as the beatitudes don't deal with salvation. He is writing about various subjects in relation to the Kingdom--nothing to do with salvation.

I really can't believe you wrote that. You are wrong in just about every particular. Matt 5:20. "For I say to you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Nothing to do with salvation?

Steve

 

[DHK]

Well, keep trying.

Obviously those in the kingdom are saved, and those without are not.

I'd suggest taking a look at D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones "Studies on the Sermon on the Mount" and maybe Robert Harris "The Way to true Happiness."

Surely the Lord here speaks of those saved and those who are not, so you are incorrect that it is not dealing with those who are and who are not under true salvation.

You have the right to your opinion. Now provide evidence. Demonstrate the plan of salvation using only the sermon on the mount. If what you say is true, then you should be able to do that.

 

[preacher4truth]

All Christians don't keep his commandments.
Here is an example of what Washer says:
http://www.sohmer.net/media/How_Do_You_Know_You_Are_Not_a_Counterfeit_Christian.pdf
Page 3 of 6 A Synopsis of Paul Washer’s sermon, How Do You Know You’re Not a Counterfeit Christian?

Go back and do a search on worldliness and other related topics.
What we should watch on TV?
What kind of jokes we should or should not tell?
What kind of clothes we should wear--no pants or jeans on women--only skirts and dresses below the knees. Right?
What our talk should be like; our conversation?
What our behavior should be like--places we should go to or avoid?
The music we should listen--CCM come to mind?
And most of all agree what is called "worldiness" I am sure that we all agree on this. Right.

If you don't agree with Washer; if you fit into these categories; then friend you are not saved, even if you did ask "Jesus into your heart."

And that is not Scriptural.

Washer is correct.

Nowhere do the Scriptures talk of praying a prayer of asking Jesus into our hearts.

That's man-made easy-believism. "Say this prayer and ask Jesus into your heart and you're saved."

Not quite. It's false teaching.

Show me where this is taught in the Bible, this "ask Jesus into your heart."

Also, his denouncement of those just like the world is right on track. You? You're defending an un-holy walk which is against Scripture.

No wonder so many think "they've" "led someone to the Lord", (to say a prayer), and yet they never darken the door of a church, nor do they have a desire to attend church, nor to know the Lord.

 

[DHK]

I really can't believe you wrote that. You are wrong in just about every particular. Matt 5:20. "For I say to you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Nothing to do with salvation?

Steve

In context, who is the author speaking to, and what is the kingdom of heaven?

 

[DHK]

Washer is correct.

Nowhere do the Scriptures talk of praying a prayer of asking Jesus into our hearts.

That's man-made easy-believism. "Say this prayer and ask Jesus into your heart and you're saved."

Not quite. It's false teaching.

Show me where this is taught in the Bible, this "ask Jesus into your heart."

Also, his denouncement of those just like the world is right on track. You? You're defending an un-holy walk which is against Scripture.

No wonder so many think "they've" "led someone to the Lord", (to say a prayer), and yet they never darken the door of a church, nor do they have a desire to attend church, nor to know the Lord.

And this is no better than Hinduism and many other false religions:

Go back and do a search on worldliness and other related topics.
What we should watch on TV?
What kind of jokes we should or should not tell?
What kind of clothes we should wear--no pants or jeans on women--only skirts and dresses below the knees. Right?
What our talk should be like; our conversation?
What our behavior should be like--places we should go to or avoid?
The music we should listen--CCM come to mind?
And most of all agree what is called "worldiness" I am sure that we all agree on this. Right.

DO the above and you shall be saved.

The message of Christ is salvation is by grace through faith.
The message of Washer is through works, just like all the other religions of the world.

 

[preacher4truth]

You have the right to your opinion. Now provide evidence. Demonstrate the plan of salvation using only the sermon on the mount. If what you say is true, then you should be able to do that.

You've been provided evidence. Also from Steven. (Marprelate)

I think perhaps you should actually sit down and read the Sermon? That would be more evidence.

It most definitely and specifically deals with salvation.

You're completely wrong here, which is not abnormal mind you.

 

[preacher4truth]

And this is no better than Hinduism and many other false religions:

DO the above and you shall be saved.

The message of Christ is salvation is by grace through faith.
The message of Washer is through works, just like all the other religions of the world.

Washer never said do the above and be saved. YOU did.

He's saying these aren't marks of regeneration.

And he's correct.

Get your facts straight and actually understand context and what the meaning is before you comment. This is why you make fallacious statements consistently.

 

[DHK]

You've been provided evidence. Also from Steven. (Marprelate)

I think perhaps you should actually sit down and read the Sermon? That would be more evidence.

It most definitely and specifically deals with salvation.

You're completely wrong here, which is not abnormal mind you.

This is simply an admission that you cannot give the plan of salvation through the sermon on the mount. If you have previously shown me then provide a link to said post. Otherwise provide evidence for your claim.

 

[DHK]

Washer never said do the above and be saved. YOU did.

He's saying these aren't marks of regeneration.

And he's correct.

Get your facts straight and actually understand context and what the meaning is before you comment. This is why you make fallacious statements consistently.

That's right. So if you listen to CCM or the women wear pants then they are not regenerated. Simple logic. That is what LS teaches. It is a religion of works.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

All Christians don't keep his commandments.
Here is an example of what Washer says:
http://www.sohmer.net/media/How_Do_You_Know_You_Are_Not_a_Counterfeit_Christian.pdf
Page 3 of 6 A Synopsis of Paul Washer’s sermon, How Do You Know You’re Not a Counterfeit Christian?

Go back and do a search on worldliness and other related topics.
What we should watch on TV?
What kind of jokes we should or should not tell?
What kind of clothes we should wear--no pants or jeans on women--only skirts and dresses below the knees. Right?
What our talk should be like; our conversation?
What our behavior should be like--places we should go to or avoid?
The music we should listen--CCM come to mind?
And most of all agree what is called "worldiness" I am sure that we all agree on this. Right.

If you don't agree with Washer; if you fit into these categories; then friend you are not saved, even if you did ask "Jesus into your heart."

And that is not Scriptural.

Praise God for Paul Washer! Somebody needs to be preaching the truth about worldliness. And he is right on the button Scripturally. Read 1John- the whole of it, but particularly 2:15-17. If there is no changed life then there is no New Birth. If there is no New Birth there is no salvation.

What we should watch on TV? Phil 4:8.
What kind of jokes we should or should not tell? Eph 5:4
What kind of clothes we should wear--no pants or jeans on women--only skirts and dresses below the knees. Right? 1Tim 2:9
What our talk should be like; our conversation? Col 4:5-6
What our behavior should be like--places we should go to or avoid? Eph 5:18; 1Tim 6:11; 2Tim 2:22

Steve

 

[DHK]

Praise God for Paul Washer! Somebody needs to be preaching the truth about worldliness. And he is right on the button Scripturally. Read 1John- the whole of it, but particularly 2:15-17. If there is no changed life then there is no New Birth. If there is no New Birth there is no salvation.

What we should watch on TV? Phil 4:8.
What kind of jokes we should or should not tell? Eph 5:4
What kind of clothes we should wear--no pants or jeans on women--only skirts and dresses below the knees. Right? 1Tim 2:9
What our talk should be like; our conversation? Col 4:5-6
What our behavior should be like--places we should go to or avoid? Eph 5:18; 1Tim 6:11; 2Tim 2:22

Steve

I agree only partially with what you say. Washer says these things must happen at the time of regeneration. He leaves no room for growth or sanctification. He denies the truth taught in 1Cor.3:1-5 that there are carnal Christians. New believers don't become adults over night. There must be a period of growth.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Freeatlast...

Yes and all Christians keep the commandments.
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

If a person is not keeping them they are a liar according to scripture.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

The christian life is not to by lawkeeping, but rather by faith.

No christian who has ever lived has kept Gods commandments. Not the entirety of them, or even just the 10. We respect them, and we want to keep them, we try to keep them, but we do not. We do not keep them.

The purpose of the commandments is to cause us to become aware of our wretchedness..so that we will come to our senses and turn to Gods grace, rather then pridefully continue on with the charade....

To the scriptures...

19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.


23 Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. But when faith has come, we are no longer under the tutor.

 

[preacher4truth]

That's right. So if you listen to CCM or the women wear pants then they are not regenerated. Simple logic. That is what LS teaches. It is a religion of works.

One more time.

Washer never stated these were necessary for salvation. You did.

Another straw man from yourself.

The "plan of salvation?"

If you can't find salvation and a message to preach this from within the Sermon on the Mount you need to stop preaching altogether.

Like I said, you need to actually read it. Perhaps take this passage to your pastor and have him help you?

Like I've said all along, you're a proponent of easy-believism.

 

[preacher4truth]

Praise God for Paul Washer! Somebody needs to be preaching the truth about worldliness. And he is right on the button Scripturally. Read 1John- the whole of it, but particularly 2:15-17. If there is no changed life then there is no New Birth. If there is no New Birth there is no salvation.

What we should watch on TV? Phil 4:8.
What kind of jokes we should or should not tell? Eph 5:4
What kind of clothes we should wear--no pants or jeans on women--only skirts and dresses below the knees. Right? 1Tim 2:9
What our talk should be like; our conversation? Col 4:5-6
What our behavior should be like--places we should go to or avoid? Eph 5:18; 1Tim 6:11; 2Tim 2:22

Steve

Yep. :thumbsup:

 

[preacher4truth]

Washer never said do the above and be saved. YOU did.

He's saying these aren't marks of regeneration.

And he's correct.

Get your facts straight and actually understand context and what the meaning is before you comment. This is why you make fallacious statements consistently.

This is for you one more time DHK.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Preacher for truth...

Washer is correct.

Nowhere do the Scriptures talk of praying a prayer of asking Jesus into our hearts.

That's man-made easy-believism. "Say this prayer and ask Jesus into your heart and you're saved."

Well, I posted this earlier, but you must have missed, it, so I'll go ahead and post this again...

Here are just a few of the multitudes of scriptures which make crystal clear that a person who trusts Christ, and Christ alone, at the exclusion of any and all works, they are saved.



"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

"even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."

For what does the Scripture say? "And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."

"therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"

Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”

"that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved


Of course I could on and on, but you get the idea.

Its not "easy believeism"...its the Gosple. Justification through faith alone.